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[Ryllen Kriel]

Stefka Kerensky, on 03 March 2016 - 03:38 AM, said:

Mandatory comparison:

85$ for 8 mechs----> 10.625$ per mech....and only ONE chassis to design

IIC, resist.2: 80$ for 16 mechs------> 5$ per mechs, and FOUR chassis.

Yeah, this is pretty much how I see things. I am excited about this classic mech and I'll at least buy the basic pack. I usually wait for them to be available via c-bills. But it's been awhile since I have given PGI some money and these do look great! The $85 price tag is just too high for what comes in it.

[TamCoan]

Yeah, this one is confusing as a whole. Who in their right mind would want to level out 8 of the same mech? I think four is my limit.

I'm already put off with the model. Add in the overload of variants and purchase options puts this in the "pass" category for me.

[CDLord HHGD]

Yeah, the "buy all" caught me by surprise and I didn't see it till I had already started buying piecemeal.... Good to know that the math all adds up properly and after buying piecemeal, the site does account for it under the "buy all" option.

[ColdPsyker1]

MauttyKoray, on 02 March 2016 - 10:14 PM, said:

Nice to finally have a 'buy all' option at least.

Anyways, on to my opinion. I'm actually a little disappointed there's no incentive overall for the full purchase options considering the size and price of it. Basic marketing would promote something along the lines of say, offering a $5 discount, or including an extra incentive like an extra item, something like another pattern (other than the crusader) or a color pack, extra cockpit items, etc.

I'm surprised they did nothing though, other than it being a convenient all-in-one purchase option we wanted.

Could always solve this the American way and sue them for misrepresentation- phrasing it as a "ultimate package" might imply to a customer they are getting something extra than just a "buy it all at once, get nothing extra"

Seriously, like every other company on this planet gives you a discount when you buy in bulk, or throws in some incentive to do so. Not so with PGI...

[Gas Guzzler]

Appogee, on 03 March 2016 - 12:35 AM, said:

But it's obvious that the most interesting versions of Phoenix Hawk (MASC and ECM) were deliberately positioned as add-ons.

You do what you want, but if you look, you see that there is an ECM variant in the Standard pack with hardpoints to do 3 LL on one side, and the MASC variant has pretty poor hardpoints, so while it does have MASC, you are a little limited in what you can do with it.

In any case, I went Standard + Reinf + ROC. Kuroi kiri doesn't really seem very interesting to me, and I don't love this mech enough to spring for the Collectors.

[Malleus011]

Make either the PHX-1B or PHX-2 a (S) variant for those who buy the 85$ mastery pack.

[Lucian Nostra]

Ive bought pretty much everything.. well no lies i have except gold mechs and the urbie but this is just..

85 bucks for the phoenix hawk? :S

I wasnt gonna get the Kodiak pack because it was just starting to be to many packs costing to much for a single chassis but I ended up getting it based off the C-bill cost of getting the kodiaks + a hero

But the same cost for a mech thats half the weight when the bulk of them are going to need massive c-bill upgrades I just.. eeeeeehhhhhhh the "this is a really bad deal" is really there

[Sandpit]

MauttyKoray, on 02 March 2016 - 10:14 PM, said:

Nice to finally have a 'buy all' option at least.

Anyways, on to my opinion. I'm actually a little disappointed there's no incentive overall for the full purchase options considering the size and price of it. Basic marketing would promote something along the lines of say, offering a $5 discount, or including an extra incentive like an extra item, something like another pattern (other than the crusader) or a color pack, extra cockpit items, etc.

I'm surprised they did nothing though, other than it being a convenient all-in-one purchase option we wanted.

There's absolutely no point in calling it an "ultimate" anything, it's the exact same thing as buying them all individually lol

RAM, on 03 March 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

Clearly the PXH-1b Phoenix Hawk 'Special' should be the Special Phoenix Hawk variant

http://mwomercs.com/...ecial%E2%80%9D/


RAM
ELH

RAM good to see you around again!

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

Sadly, most of the varients are gonna suck unless they get some massive quirks...

I would have bought the ultimate pack if there was incentive... But I think Ill just buy the basic, and the reinforcement pack (if I can), because I dont like the poor hard points on the other varients... Especially the heros...

[0bsidion]

Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky, on 03 March 2016 - 09:05 AM, said:

Sadly, most of the varients are gonna suck unless they get some massive quirks...

I would have bought the ultimate pack if there was incentive... But I think Ill just buy the basic, and the reinforcement pack (if I can), because I dont like the poor hard points on the other varients... Especially the heros...

If you're looking at them from a metamech perspective, you're probably correct. Based on the hardpoint layout they are unlikely to beat out the BJ for best IS 45 tonner.

The target audience for these is the nostalgia crowd. Still, the ECM and MASC variants are bringing something different to the table that might make them more viable than you give them credit for.

Also, while 45 tonners aren't necessarily anyone's idea of tanky, the arms might just be bulky enough to twist off some torso bound damage. Unfortunately most of your firepower is in your arms so that could be a problem. There is a potential issue with the CT hitbox, as it looks like the CT juts out a bit.

So it can be fast enough and stealthy enough to be a hit and run skirmisher, with a lot of emphasis on the running. Barring extensive structure and/or armor quirks it probably won't do well with much face time, like most 45 and under mechs.

[Sandpit]

0bsidion, on 03 March 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

So it can be fast enough and stealthy enough to be a hit and run skirmisher, with a lot of emphasis on the running. Barring extensive structure and/or armor quirks it probably won't do well with much face time, like most 45 and under mechs.

It comes stock moving at 97/kph without speed tweak. Exactly how fast do you think a mech needs to be in order to be considered "fast enough"???

[0bsidion]

Sandpit, on 03 March 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

It comes stock moving at 97/kph without speed tweak. Exactly how fast do you think a mech needs to be in order to be considered "fast enough"???

Look at the engine cap. It's 355. I'd say it can probably go pretty bloody fast. An Ice Ferret with a 360 is running at 129/139, so it'd be just under that. If you can't hit and run in the 120/130 kph range, well, I don't know what to tell you.

[STEF_]

0bsidion, on 03 March 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

If you're looking at them from a metamech perspective, you're probably correct. Based on the hardpoint layout they are unlikely to beat out the BJ for best IS 45 tonner.

The target audience for these is the nostalgia crowd. Still, the ECM and MASC variants are bringing something different to the table that might make them more viable than you give them credit for.

Also, while 45 tonners aren't necessarily anyone's idea of tanky, the arms might just be bulky enough to twist off some torso bound damage. Unfortunately most of your firepower is in your arms so that could be a problem. There is a potential issue with the CT hitbox, as it looks like the CT juts out a bit.

So it can be fast enough and stealthy enough to be a hit and run skirmisher, with a lot of emphasis on the running. Barring extensive structure and/or armor quirks it probably won't do well with much face time, like most 45 and under mechs.

so, you think that 6 or 8 energy hardpoints aren't enough....

ooooh, look... the 1x has 8 energy hardpoints..... like the PXH-1K.....
ooooh, look there... the BJ-3 has 6.....just like PXH-2...which has ECM too, lol

ooooh look, the OP IS lezors: 3LPL...u can put it in ANY PXH and still run at 104.5 kph with 37% cool eff.


Yea yea....it's going to suck

[0bsidion]

Stefka Kerensky, on 03 March 2016 - 10:01 AM, said:

so, you think that 6 or 8 energy hardpoints aren't enough....

ooooh, look... the 1x has 8 energy hardpoints..... like the PXH-1K.....
ooooh, look there... the BJ-3 has 6.....just like PXH-2...which has ECM too, lol

ooooh look, the OP IS lezors: 3LPL...u can put it in ANY PXH and still run at 104.5 kph with 37% cool eff.


Yea yea....it's going to suck

I think people are arguing with me today just to be arguing at this point I didn't say it was or wasn't going to suck, in fact I defended it in stating it might not be as bad as the other poster might think.

I also didn't say anything about the quantity of the hardpoints being an issue. I said the layout of the hard points. Which means where they are physically located on the mech. None of which are 'metaworthy', and said if that is all you were looking at, then yes, it's not probably going to be the ultimate 45 tonner.

[Sandpit]

0bsidion, on 03 March 2016 - 10:01 AM, said:

Look at the engine cap. It's 355. I'd say it can probably go pretty bloody fast. An Ice Ferret with a 360 is running at 129/139, so it'd be just under that. If you can't hit and run in the 120/130 kph range, well, I don't know what to tell you.

I think it will fit in nicely right alongside the BJ and is going to be a lot more commonly used than the Vindis

[Breakspear]

At least it can't be worse then the Vindi, right? Right??? D:

[STEF_]

0bsidion, on 03 March 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

I think people are arguing with me today just to be arguing at this point I didn't say it was or wasn't going to suck, in fact I defended it in stating it might not be as bad as the other poster might think.

I also didn't say anything about the quantity of the hardpoints being an issue. I said the layout of the hard points. Which means where they are physically located on the mech. None of which are 'metaworthy', and said if that is all you were looking at, then yes, it's not probably going to be the ultimate 45 tonner.

I replay to your "the target audience is nostalgia crowd".
I'm not agree with that, or maybe....the entire game is about nostalgia maybe.

Anyway, if a mech is good or bad it depends ENTIRELY on quirks.

Does anyone remember the bj pre quirks era?
OR the Black Knight before pgi putting the actual quirks?

We don't know pxh quirks but even today I can write I don't think arm hardpoints are going to be an issue, because of speed and jump jet.

[Armorine]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 March 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

Needs to either:
Be 10% off for going all in, all at once
or
Have it's own SwagBag with modules, paint, etc and a badge titled "MobyDick".

As is, I buy the STD Pack, I now have further to get everything else, as convenient. What this does is limits impulse buys. Thus I am LESS likely to " buy them all" than if there was some "splash sale" to short circuit the brain.

It actually is a phenomenally poor bit of marketing, that even a rank amateur should have figured out. It's literally marketing 101.

*smh*

have you ever though about being a marketing advisor? seriously they need the help.....alot of help. and russ listens to you more then any of us it seems

[Sandpit]

Armorine, on 03 March 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

have you ever though about being a marketing advisor? seriously they need the help.....alot of help. and russ listens to you more then any of us it seems

PGi has no clue when ti comes to marketing and advertising. They never have

[Metus regem]

Sandpit, on 03 March 2016 - 10:42 AM, said:

PGi has no clue when ti comes to marketing and advertising. They never have

Perfect example is the whole $100k tournament they are putting on.... -sigh- such a waste of resources...