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[Vyviel]

Should this be moved to suggestions? If so how can I have it done?

Ill post something similar to Ask a Dev and hopefully they answer it =)

[Xiomburg]

Oh Yeah!!!!!

[Vyviel]

Lol old Urbie agrees with the thread it seems =P

[Captain Fabulous]

... You believed something Paul told you?

[Aym]

Hawkeye 72, on 13 July 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

I actually feel you raise a good point here. Otherwise some of the top players who aren't paying for the boosters are potentially being left off the leaderboards.

It's not pay to win, but more pay for recognition?

Maybe we can get an answer on this

Wait wait wait, Hawkeye you care about leaderboards?

[Willpower]

The way to the top of the leaderboards is to play for as many hours a day as you are awake. So... if you're doing that you already have community recognition because you'll have played with/against everyone in a short time anyway.

Meh.

Only stats I'm concerned with are my c-bill account and the xp I have available for unlocking goodies.

[light487]

We don't know what affect the leaderboard will have until Community Warfare stuff is fully released.. it may be more than just bragging rights for all we know.. considering it is a major part of the game's design, I suspect it will be a little more than simply bragging rights... and to that end, considering that the devs are against P2W (with a vengeance!!), I believe that they have already thought about this.

[Bongo TauKat]

I think it is a great idea for the XP boost. Imagine the mech rage when a premium player is below several free players on the leader board. It makes me snort and chuckle.

[StarfyrGuns]

Turbo, on 13 July 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Despite the downsides to WOT, and I hate to bring that game up, They did get 1 thing correct. Even with a premium account and the XP boost, your stats are still based on the Base XP earned not the boosted amount. I am fairly confident that the devs will be doing the same thing here.

Actually your key stats were what you did in a game. Exp was just that..a stat. Meant nothing really.

[Hawkeye 72]

Aym, on 16 July 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Wait wait wait, Hawkeye you care about leaderboards?

No I care about victory, glory, honor, and the almighty C-bill.

However if it turns out I am the best pilot this side of Outreach, I would hope I get my due recognition


My concern is primarily for players who do care about the leaderboards and not having them feel shafted in rankings for not paying extra. Just creates negative feelings.

[Aym]

Hawkeye 72, on 16 July 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

No I care about victory, glory, honor, and the almighty C-bill.

However if it turns out I am the best pilot this side of Outreach, I would hope I get my due recognition

Unlikely.

[Gravaar]

Hexenhammer, on 13 July 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I'm going to noob here a little but what value does the leader board have other than bragging rights? Does it have any in game value such as improved rep, money, xp gains?

It hasn't had any value other than bragging rights in other games so I expect this to be similar.

Sorry just thought of one use, it might be used to match someone up against another person of equal skill, so a complete noob doesn't match up against the top ranked

[Hawkeye 72]

Aym, on 16 July 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Unlikely.

Extremely

[Outrider01]

Hexenhammer, on 13 July 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I'm going to noob here a little but what value does the leader board have other than bragging rights? Does it have any in game value such as improved rep, money, xp gains?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all does having a leader board prove anything. Except most gaming dudes belive its like a freaking Bible and belive it has the truth as if a hippy actually did walk on water. They like to quote game stats like scripture, but the real funny thing is that if you take in life as a whole including everyone on this freaking planet and this dude playing a video game...the dude playing a video game is a freaking loser in comparison to say Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, Ghandi and Mother Teresa with their humanitarian work, and all those historial dudes (Plato, Darwin, Da Vinci and the like) that helped make society what it is today. The dude playing a video game, clicked a mouse in a program designed by someone else...clicked a mouse...which is as a great challenge as learning to not **** yourself when you were a child and the last time I checked only your parents cared about that not the rest of the world.

Willpower, on 16 July 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Only stats I'm concerned with are my c-bill account and the xp I have available for unlocking goodies.

^^ This. only c-bill and exp is all I care about. I know I will never be the best, but I shouldn't be forced to endure crap matches facing dudes who are better then me all freaking day, which if you face guys who are better then you they in fact c*ockblocking your rewards and I despise seeing matches like they. I don't mind trying to face them from time to time, but I want to decide if I can take them and if I don't think I can...I want to opt out and not do the crap like WoT where all you face is tier 8 tanks all day in a tier 5, which is like driving an Ubranmech whose weapons are ineffective against an Atlas (if MWO was like WoT, which is isn't but I wanted to give a comparison)

Gravaar, on 16 July 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Sorry just thought of one use, it might be used to match someone up against another person of equal skill, so a complete noob doesn't match up against the top ranked

This as well. Match people with similar skills, if you are good you should not be stat padding against terrible players....it only makes you look better which in my opinion makes you a terrible player (you only challenge guys worse then you, of course you will win every time). There are only 2 results of a contest and thats a 50/50 win/loss (draws are neither side wins)....so your game win rate should be closer to 50% and maybe as high as 53% because you are better then most (but it should never exceed a 60% win rate like WoT dudes who fap off to scores, because you are facing like 80% of the total terrible players...stat padding? thats like challenging a cripple to a race...of course you are going to win, the odds are in your favor).

[Fezzwig]

I am of the opinion that a Leaderboard should not be used but rather a simple ranking instead.
A player is awarded a ranking based on the number of drops he/she has participated in.

For example (just an example):

General: 10,000+
Colonel: 8,000-10,000
Lt.Col.: 6,500-8,000
and so forth...

This way, matches can be compiled based on rank as to prevent experienced players from padding and give the green recruit matches with players with similar experience levels.
A system like this would make the issue of premium vs free moot. You want to recruit a player, you'll be forced to lance a few drops with him instead of relying on stats. A players stats should be only able to be seen by the player IMHO.

[Lord Cochrane]

Seriously who cares about leader boards?

[Vyviel]

Lord Cochrane, on 17 July 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Seriously who cares about leader boards?

Obviously we do...and the fairness of such a system haha

Premium should play no part when it comes to ranking players vs each other.

[trycksh0t]

Ugh...leaderboards. Whoever thought those were a good idea should be slapped in the face with a hammer.

OT: Player rankings are skewed regardless of how data is collected, the only real way to rank players is to give them identical hardware, identical connections, identical playtime allowance, etc... By not having all things equal, the leaderboard system is already unbalanced.

Edited by trycksh0t, 17 July 2012 - 03:06 PM.

[Gnmish]

Vyviel, on 13 July 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

If you want the leaderboards to be fair and to actually reflect a persons level of skill then you need to rank based on the BASE exp earnt and not the exp earnt because someone has purchased a premium account.

Calm down, I assume there will be a top cap for EXP, I suspect what Paul was implying was that more EXP = More Levels = More abilities. As the leaderboard will probably figure in to matchmaking, and higher level players will have something of an advantage, so they willl put them higher on the board to reflect this, once everyone is top level it should make no difference.

An imbalance at the top of the table will only occur very early on until the top players hit top rank (time for the top players to hit top level will be measured in days, and not many im guessing). The hardcore players who have purchased founders packs will have hit this top level before non-founders even get a chance to download the client, so the point is moot.

tl;dr The most rabid players will get to top level so fast, you wont even notice the EXP boost, everyone else will get there in their own time and the leaderboard will protect lowbies against fully levelled pilots.

Edited by Gnmish, 17 July 2012 - 03:34 PM.

[Butane9000]

OP makes a good point. Leader boards shouldn't take into account paid bonuses as that directly contradicts Piranha's policy against making this game 'Pay to win"