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[Widowmaker1981]

Hi,

Im very confused about something, and im wondering what im missing. The BJ-3 is being used ALL over the place with 3xLPL as its weapons.. and i do not understand why. Here are two BJ builds, one on the 1X and one on the 3:

BJ-3

relevant quirks:
10% Heat Gen
5% cooldown
10% range
Structure

BJ-1X

Relevant quirks:
10% heat gen
10% cooldown
10% range
Structure
30% acc/dec

So, the 1X is faster, cooler (more truedubs), has slightly better mounts and cooldown and is more agile, vs weak jumping ability for the BJ-3 which isnt even that useful with LPLs.

I don't get it? Why? I mean, the BJ-3 is a great mech, but only if you use PPCs/ERPPCs to take advantage of the 30% heat gen buff. For LPLs its outclassed by the 1X

[Der Hesse]

I think it´s because of the jumpjets.
I´m not sure if i would prefer jumpjets over slightly better quirks and higher speed but surely many do.

So the PPC quirks on the BJ-3 are for PPC and ERPPC?
Was not sure when the last patchnotes came out if PPC quirks now always affect ERPPC too.

[Widowmaker1981]

Der Hesse, on 08 March 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

I think it´s because of the jumpjets.
I´m not sure if i would prefer jumpjets over slightly better quirks and higher speed but surely many do.

So the PPC quirks on the BJ-3 are for PPC and ERPPC?
Was not sure when the last patchnotes came out if PPC quirks now always affect ERPPC too.

Yes, the quirks for the BJ-3 apply to both PPC and ERPPC - i even have 2 of them, since i use 2xPPC+2xML on some maps and 2xERPPC on others.

PPC quirks affect both PPCs and ERPPCs, ERPPC quirks only affect ERPPCs.

Really don't see how 2JJs are worth losing 5% cooldown, 12kph, cooling efficiency, better weapon mounts and the acc/dec boni, seems like a massive waste to run the BJ-3 with anything other than PPC/ERPPC builds.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 08 March 2016 - 06:41 AM.

[Blue Frog]

Might posssibly be because they need a third variant to basic or elite and don't like the other options. You never know....oh well, each to his own.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

Interesting! Thanks for bringing this up!

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

is it the YAW rate?

the BJ-3 has 110+0

the BJ-1X has 80+0

[Palfatreos]

Mastering reasons most people buy the BJ-1x for the 6ml/2mpl
BJ-1X

Most people grab BJ-3 because they need other mech to master it but they aren't good with poptarting or shooting with ppc so the lpl an easier weapon for them to handle.
It no use to make the best build on a mech if the pilot can't handle it.

[invernomuto]

Widowmaker1981, on 08 March 2016 - 03:13 AM, said:

I don't get it? Why? I mean, the BJ-3 is a great mech, but only if you use PPCs/ERPPCs to take advantage of the 30% heat gen buff. For LPLs its outclassed by the 1X

Agreed.
On Metamechs the BJ-3 LPLs build is the first one, we should ask to GMan129 to answer your question. I prefer to use the dual PPCs configuration (with a XL225 engine) to make better use of its quirks.
I run my BJ-1X with pulse lasers and a XL280 engine: its velocity (100 kps) compensate for the lack of JJs.

Edited by invernomuto, 29 March 2016 - 04:26 AM.

[SirSoggyDog]

Am I the only one lunatic enough the run the BJ-1X with twin LPL and hex ML? Sure it's hot, but the amount of alpha damage is just absurd.

Also, BJ-3 works great with quad ERLL (dem quirks). I'm surprised the build isn't seen more often.

[Nix Axer]

[CFC Conky]

Not a bad build if you're willing to risk using an xl engine.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[Nix Axer]

All medium Mechs should be collected from the XL engine. Because there are no free tons.

Edited by Nix Axer, 25 July 2020 - 08:20 AM.

[Paul Meyers DEST]

I think 2 HPPC in the 3 are the most fun.


Oh and use https://mech.nav-alpha.com/ for builds

[CFC Conky]

Paul Meyers DEST, on 25 July 2020 - 08:35 AM, said:

I think 2 HPPC in the 3 are the most fun.


Oh and use https://mech.nav-alpha.com/ for builds

Yeah that's a fun build, good for getting those event where you have to get a number of 'hit and run' occurences.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[CFC Conky]

Nix Axer, on 25 July 2020 - 08:20 AM, said:

All medium Mechs should be collected from the XL engine. Because there are no free tons.

I run my Blackjacks with xl engines too, you just have to be careful of return fire.

[Horseman]

Nix Axer, on 25 July 2020 - 08:20 AM, said:

All medium Mechs should be collected from the XL engine. Because there are no free tons.

No, not all. It depends on your role, hitboxes and the exposure times of your build.

[VeeOt Dragon]

personally i run the BJ-3 with 4 LPPC and 2MLs. no JJ though. i have though of stripping the MLs or lowering the engine for them but i'm not sure the sacrifice in fire power or speed is worth a little jump juice. could get 2 JJ just by exchanging the MLs for ER SLs

[The Basilisk]

VeeOt Dragon, on 27 July 2021 - 07:24 AM, said:

personally i run the BJ-3 with 4 LPPC and 2MLs. no JJ though. i have though of stripping the MLs or lowering the engine for them but i'm not sure the sacrifice in fire power or speed is worth a little jump juice. could get 2 JJ just by exchanging the MLs for ER SLs

I personaly was a friend of the BJ in QP for some years but since the last two wpns changes any medium mech is basicaly twohit by any chancehit of a med or assault....so the BJ realy is a nogo for me cuz you have no additional defensive powers at your hand like ECM and stealth or benefical hitboxes aka the power of glitch or even an abundance of ams.
You basicaly are a glasscannon with a lack of raw firepower.