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#21 Snuggles Time

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Posted 18 March 2016 - 11:43 PM

View Postdervishx5, on 18 March 2016 - 10:10 PM, said:


lol this guy thinks tiers higher than 3 mean anything.


Oddly enough you don't see a high amount of lone wolves or pilots without unit tags in tier 3 or higher games

And yes there is a difference.

Edited by Snuggles Time, 18 March 2016 - 11:45 PM.


#22 Damia Savon

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 02:42 AM

Proof than team work is op and that ignoring lrms is stupid.

#23 dervishx5

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 02:47 AM

View PostSnuggles Time, on 18 March 2016 - 11:43 PM, said:


Oddly enough you don't see a high amount of lone wolves or pilots without unit tags in tier 3 or higher games

And yes there is a difference.


You're tier 1, but I could kick your butt.

You're right though. I spent too much time in CW and not pugging. Tier 3 is really easy.

Edited by dervishx5, 19 March 2016 - 02:53 AM.


#24 Yozzman

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 02:50 AM

View PostSnuggles Time, on 18 March 2016 - 11:43 PM, said:


Oddly enough you don't see a high amount of lone wolves or pilots without unit tags in tier 3 or higher games

And yes there is a difference.


QFT!

Good score for OP, but proves that he had a good game. Archer still is a so so chassis...

#25 Prof RJ Gumby

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:04 AM

View Postdervishx5, on 19 March 2016 - 02:47 AM, said:


You're tier 1, but I could kick your butt.

You're right though. I spent too much time in CW and not pugging. Tier 3 is really easy.

Just on a side note, it is not good to admit you're undertiered in your own topic where you argue that a mech is good because you got good results in it...

#26 Pariah Devalis

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:09 AM

View PostSnuggles Time, on 18 March 2016 - 11:43 PM, said:


Oddly enough you don't see a high amount of lone wolves or pilots without unit tags in tier 3 or higher games

And yes there is a difference.


FWIW, while I have a unit tag, my Clan basically doesn't exist and 95% of my games are solo queue. I am, quite literally, one game away from T1. Of course, if individual player capabilities were what actually mattered in PLAYER Skill Ranking, I would have been T1 long ago. Instead, it's largely an XP bar tied to number of matches played. -_-

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#27 DovisKhan

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:09 AM

View Postdervishx5, on 18 March 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

You're all jealous that my 4 SRM 4, 5 LRM 5 Archer did so much better than you could ever do.

:3


Best build for the 5W for sure, also 5 LRMS go in arms and CT, with SRMs in ST, that way you can utilize the lrms as fast as possible and keep bay doors shut


This is the only build for Archer i found so far that is consistent at going to ~1000 dmg

#28 DovisKhan

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:14 AM

View PostProf RJ Gumby, on 19 March 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

Just on a side note, it is not good to admit you're undertiered in your own topic where you argue that a mech is good because you got good results in it...


Specific mech variant on a very specific build is good, the 5W is the only one with both CT and ST structure quirks, making it survive better.

This build makes you consistently perform above average in your team and you don't lose psr even on losing matches.


Overal archer is bad, 5W is ~ok due to 9 missile hardpoints

#29 dervishx5

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:15 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 19 March 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:


Best build for the 5W for sure, also 5 LRMS go in arms and CT, with SRMs in ST, that way you can utilize the lrms as fast as possible and keep bay doors shut


This is the only build for Archer i found so far that is consistent at going to ~1000 dmg


I get the reasoning behind that, but you do know you take more damage with your bay doors open, right? And if you don't open them, you have that delay. I prefer putting the SRMs in the arms.

View PostProf RJ Gumby, on 19 March 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

Just on a side note, it is not good to admit you're undertiered in your own topic where you argue that a mech is good because you got good results in it...


My posts are always serious and never satirical.

Edited by dervishx5, 19 March 2016 - 03:16 AM.


#30 Aetes Nakatomi

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:46 AM

I have one SRM on the roof and one in each shoulder with the LRM5s sitting in the hands and shoulders. That way I have fast and high mounted and instant 'get away from her you b*tch!' and the LRMs have the mild delay only if I do a prolonged rainbow but instant if I want a quick cheeky shot.

#31 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 03:52 AM

View PostVompoVompatti, on 18 March 2016 - 08:15 PM, said:

This proof is absolutely water tight because no player has ever had a good game in a bad mech.


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IKR

all lrm warhawk

#32 DovisKhan

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 04:37 AM

View Postdervishx5, on 19 March 2016 - 03:15 AM, said:


I get the reasoning behind that, but you do know you take more damage with your bay doors open, right? And if you don't open them, you have that delay. I prefer putting the SRMs in the arms.



My posts are always serious and never satirical.


during a brawl that short delay is longer relevant and that extra tankiness from keeping them shut is important for the already flimsy mech, also since SRMs are the more important weapon, it's safer to keep emm in the torso, not the arms

#33 Kira Onime

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 04:55 AM

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#34 Johny Rocket

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:08 AM

My 5W build is 4 srm6 in the arms and 5 lrm5 in the torsos, with an xl300 1530 lurms and 300 srms and 1 dub.
I am averaging 500 damage not counting the outliers to either end. had a few where it just went bad and did under 100dmg and have had a couple north of 1000. With master unlocked I am sitting on another 20k exp already and have the other 2 about done with elite. All earned by the mechs no gxp used.

Im high tier 2 and always play with a group split pretty even among tier 1-3 which means I am not scrubbing noobs.

I think most players just don't have a clue how to use this mech. I have over 1.7 mil xp on my KTO 18, I ran the KTO when people thought it sucked and when lurms were considered horrible. It has been my go to grind mech for over a year, usually with the 5 lrm5 1 erll xl300 build. Why because even though I own most of the hero mechs it out performs them enough to make the hero bonus irrelevant. My secret is aggressive playstyle and mobility, for me this thing feels like a super Kintaro and that's how I play it.

Funny thing about the Archer I have been capitalizing on is that everyone has been trained to close distance on an lrm boat.
My 5W with 4 srm6 in the arms and 5 lrm5 in the torso or my 2R with 3 lrm5 and 2 lpl and 3 ml, charging me is exactly what i want you to do.

#35 QuantumButler

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:30 AM

Oh wow yes sir a cherry picked screenshot of an unusually good match out of who knows how many dozens or hundreds of okay to bad ones sure dismisses all criticisms of the Archer and proves that it is actually a good robot instead of a piece of underperforming trash, good one OP!

#36 dervishx5

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:38 AM

View PostQuantumButler, on 19 March 2016 - 07:30 AM, said:

Oh wow yes sir a cherry picked screenshot of an unusually good match out of who knows how many dozens or hundreds of okay to bad ones sure dismisses all criticisms of the Archer and proves that it is actually a good robot instead of a piece of underperforming trash, good one OP!


Your jealousy speaks volumes!

#37 QuantumButler

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:39 AM

View Postdervishx5, on 19 March 2016 - 07:38 AM, said:


Your jealousy speaks volumes!


Just trufax fam.

#38 dervishx5

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:44 AM

View PostQuantumButler, on 19 March 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

Just trufax fam.


Archer is the best mech ever, I get 1000+ every game. Here are the screenshots from those games:

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#39 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:47 AM

View Postdervishx5, on 18 March 2016 - 10:10 PM, said:


lol this guy thinks tiers higher than 3 mean anything.

they do.

They mean you have a 1 or a 2 under your name, instead of a 3-5.

View PostTroutmonkey, on 18 March 2016 - 11:16 PM, said:

When a light flanks and cored an enemy out from behind with 60 damage, that's efficiency. Spreading 500 damage across two mechs isn't really a good way to do it.
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but CDCs are Mediums.... Posted Image

#40 Troutmonkey

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 07:53 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 19 March 2016 - 07:47 AM, said:

but CDCs are Mediums.... Posted Image

haha I play them like fat Jenners so they may as well be lights





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