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[Hit the Deck]

As the tittle says:
Why are so many folks choosing frozen city

Is it the minimal time to bump into the enemy? Is the map design so awesome that people still choose it despite it being super foggy sometimes?

Also, is Skirmish on Frozen City the best thing that could happen in MWO???

[Oderint dum Metuant]

I like frozen city, despite the map being small it's still one of the better designed maps terrain wise.

[MrMadguy]

Short answer:

Long answer:
1) Map isn't big - no bias towards faster 'Mechs.
2) Lots of cover - no bias towards Snipe/LRM Meta.
3) Balanced (going to A3, when you spawn at A4, to prevent stomp of Assault, that happens extremely rarely though - isn't problem).
4) Many spots, fight can happen around - great variety of tactics and diversity of gameplay.
5) No waste of time.

[NephyrisX]

MrMadguy, on 20 March 2016 - 12:16 AM, said:

Short answer:

Long answer:
1) Map isn't big - no bias towards faster 'Mechs.
2) Lots of cover - no bias towards Snipe/LRM Meta.
3) Balanced (going to A3, when you spawn at A4, to prevent stomp of Assault, that happens extremely rarely though - isn't problem).
4) Many spots, fight can happen around - great variety of tactics and diversity of gameplay.
5) No waste of time.

The fact that you put Polar Highlands at the bottom makes it impossible to take your opinion seriously.

[Moldur]

NephyrisX, on 20 March 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

The fact that you put Polar Highlands at the bottom makes it impossible to take your opinion seriously.

It is probably the least accessible map, and makes for horrible matches due to how match making is. In other words, it makes a lot of people waste a match where their mech is worthless for the most part.

The maps that are higher on the list are more accommodating to different builds, rather than being extremely polarizing, which is good for a game with blind matchmaking.

Edited by Moldur, 20 March 2016 - 01:56 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

Because they don't like dealing with heat or having to properly scout the enemy's disposition, they just like cresting the ridge and duking it out ASAP without worrying about silly things such as 'Mech shut-down.

Used to be one of my favorite maps. Now it's just a drag.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 20 March 2016 - 02:19 AM.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

LRM meta?! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *breathe* hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

Are you actually a parody account?

[Michael Abt]

Frozen City. Why are people voting for this map when they have no clue at all how to play it? Pretty much every time i start on the southern side it just takes a couple seconds to realize that the match will end in a horrible wipe. In Nascar manner the team rushes to lower city B5 -ish area which is by far the worst spot to go from all existing maps.

[El Bandito]

Bottom line is--the map allows two sides to fight ASAP, and giving them maximum C-Bill earning. I don't like it right now, only because I am leveling up Archers. The map is too fast for LRM boats to do their magic. If I am in my Battlemasters, I can make the enemy cry.

Edited by El Bandito, 20 March 2016 - 02:25 AM.

[jss78]

I feel like it's not a bad map exactly, but boy is it overrated. I'm very tired of playing it.

I think there's a least common denominator thing going on. It's just a very simple and straight-forward map to play. Walk forward for 10-15 seconds, meet enemy where you always meet the enemy. Pew-pew, whoosh-whoosh. Not hot, can vomit fine. Easy-peasy.

[Thunderbird Anthares]

please note that the fact you dont like it does not mean the map is badly designed
Polar is designed surprisingly good - you just hate the tactics it promotes and have no idea how to counter

Terra Therma is good, people's tendencies to lemming into the middle like zombies is their own problem - and high heat on the map enforces trigger control and proper aim, which are essential skills a huge portion of the community never had

your opinion is not universal, merely suggesting so is arrogant, people have different preferences

[Herbert the Turbot]

Moldur, on 20 March 2016 - 01:54 AM, said:

It is probably the least accessible map, and makes for horrible matches due to how match making is. In other words, it makes a lot of people waste a match where their mech is worthless for the most part.

I disagree, I mostly play brawlers and consider polar to be a very fertile hunting ground. There are so many small hills and gullies that you can normally work your way to within 200 metres of the enemy without even being spotted, let alone fired at. There are very few inaccessible cliff areas, so when you are in the position you want to be in you can just go over the top and attack at the time of your choosing, no need to try to find a path round first like on canyon network for example. The size of the map also leads to enemies often getting themselves separated from their team leaving them vulnerable to a brawler. Of course if you go all Leeroy Jenkins you'll be dead in seconds, but I don't have a problem with map design that punishes idiocy. If you can't make brawlers effective on polar highlands then you need to reexamine your tactics because that's where the problem will be.

Edited by Herbert the Turbot, 20 March 2016 - 02:29 AM.

[Mycrus]

Hit the Deck, on 19 March 2016 - 10:36 PM, said:

As the tittle says:
Why are so many folks choosing frozen city

Is it the minimal time to bump into the enemy? Is the map design so awesome that people still choose it despite it being super foggy sometimes?

Also, is Skirmish on Frozen City the best thing that could happen in MWO???

cold skirmish... duh.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Moldur, on 20 March 2016 - 01:54 AM, said:

It is probably the least accessible map, and makes for horrible matches due to how match making is. In other words, it makes a lot of people waste a match where their mech is worthless for the most part.

The maps that are higher on the list are more accommodating to different builds, rather than being extremely polarizing, which is good for a game with blind matchmaking.

No short range mech is useless on polar in fact they can be quite the game changer, but they require patience and a brain some of my best games on polar have been in ER small nova's or SRM mechs.

Mr Madguy just doesn't like any map he can't blind rush over terrain and be dead in 3 mins or less

[Triordinant]

It's the most laser vomit friendly map.

[Clownwarlord]

Why choose frozen city? Simple so I do not have to spend the first several minutes walking and searching for the enemy.

[Alistair Winter]

My theory:

• Lots of cover
  
• Cold map
  
• Good for brawling
  
• Takes about 30 second from the match starts until the shooting starts, which is optimal for the attention span of the average MWO player. It lets them discuss tactics for about 10-15 seconds, which is just enough to make them feel really smart.
  
  "Push C3?"
  "Yeah, ok."
  "Boy, this is really a thinking man's shooter!"

Edited by Alistair Winter, 20 March 2016 - 03:41 AM.

[Clownwarlord]

Alistair Winter, on 20 March 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

My theory:

• Lots of cover
  
• Cold map
  
• Good for brawling
  
• Takes about 30 second from the match starts until the shooting starts, which is optimal for the attention span of the average MWO player. It lets them discuss tactics for about 10-15 seconds, which is just enough to make them feel really smart.
  
  
  "Push C3?"
  "Yeah, ok."
  "Boy, this is really a thinking man's shooter!"

Its only a thinking mans shooter when you want to use team work. Otherwise it is a deathball and Nascar.

[Wolfways]

No walking involved and lots of LRM cover for noobs.

[Ultimax]

Alistair Winter, on 20 March 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

My theory:

• Lots of cover
  
• Cold map
  
• Good for brawling
  
• Takes about 30 second from the match starts until the shooting starts, which is optimal for the attention span of the average MWO player. It lets them discuss tactics for about 10-15 seconds, which is just enough to make them feel really smart.
  
  
  "Push C3?"
  "Yeah, ok."
  "Boy, this is really a thinking man's shooter!"

Polar is 3 full minutes to find the enemy, 4 if both teams took wide berths.

It doesn't matter how much time there is, most teams don't do much thinking.



If you want a "thinking man's shooter" you should play competitive (organized) matches.