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[MovinTarget]

PraetorGix, on 21 March 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

I bet every IIC needs some buff or another, I didn't play the Orion or Highlander so I wouldn't know. Oh and no, lurm jenner is a joke, trust me I tried to run it and you don't kill sh*t

I have run it.

I have killed lots of "sh*t".

I am sorry it's not jiving for you, welcome to "Mech roulette" where purchasing a Mech does not ensure its playability within ones skillset.

Many of us long time players have a mechlab full of mechs we leveled and shelved... if we could stand to level them in the first place.

I could rattle off a list of mechs I wish would perform better for me, but I know there would be a backlash from all the guys that love and swear by those same mechs.

Maybe they buff IIc mechs in the future, but I think they are performing well enough in the right hands that to do so would make them OP in some scenarios.

So discover the best ways to use these mechs or move on to others. Sorry but we've all done it...

And for the record, I think cranky puppy has been waiting longer for his atlas than any other QQ'er.

Edited by MovinTarget, 21 March 2016 - 05:45 PM.

[-Ramrod-]

Jenner IIC is one of my favorite mechs. It IS absolutely DANGEROUS. Just about any variant. It shouldn't take a Tier 1 pilot to do well in it. To me it's actually one of the best mechs in the game atm. Just take a look at this screenshot.

http://imgur.com/ZFi34XZ

The Archer boosts were sorely needed. Though I would have rather seen more missile quirks than structure quirks. But it's definitely better than nothing! I think one reason the quirks were so bad was because...well...so many people ***** about LRM's (mainly Clanners). I'd rather see Streakcrows and Oxides nerfed if anything.

[Toxicresidue]

sweet more IS peter-puffing quirks, PGI needs to toughen up my weak *** IIC mechs. sh@t 80 friggen bucks for ****** weak machines, come on John just tell the IIC owners to just bend over and like it.

[Kusunoki Masashige]

PraetorGix, on 21 March 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

So, a hot fix to improve the Archer quirks but we are still waiting for IIC quirks... I paid real money for my Jenner too you know? And it needs better toughness just as much those Archers needed the buff.

One peeps paid real money for archers and clan are already OP so quit your crying and be a better pilot.

[MovinTarget]

Okay okay you all convinced me.

Please give the jenner IIc some structure quirks! Make it usable by people that don't know how to take advantage of its existing potential! Make it more durable so that when I run it the way I always have it will be less of a gamble and more of a sure thing!

I am sure that no one will abuse the #@$@#$ out of it if you buff it. I mean, just look at how respectful ACH pilots were and PGI callously removed the leg quirks! The nerve!

Thats right, I don't care about balance or implications!

I didn't just want a mech that is only rivalled in speed by a single variant of the wolfhound amongst 35 tonners.

I didn't just want a mech that could pack more SRM punch than an Oxide... AND HAS JUMP JETS.

No, it has to be all that *and* have structure quirks because my money is worth more than anyone else's that bought any other mech in the history of MWO!

/end sarcasm

Edited by MovinTarget, 21 March 2016 - 05:34 PM.

[Cy Mitchell]

I knew there would be some quick structure quirks for the Archer before I even finished watching the NGNG Archer introduction video. Those things were shedding arms and torsos after just one or two shots. They looked like a papier-mache pinata at a 12 year old boy's birthday party.

[MovinTarget]

Here ya go, some trade secrets:

Yes, it is a gamble, but if you stalk fatties and avoid lights, the tonnage trade is immense.




If that drink is too stronk, here's an Oxide on crack:
Faster, with JJ but same firepower.



Finally, some advice about Jenner IIc's...

If you stop to aim, you're dead.

If you stop to consider your targets, you're dead.

If you overheat, you're dead.

If you stop for any reason at all, you're dead.

In this regard it is a light mech in the purest sense. Your weapons load may be the payoff, but your speed and maneuverability is whats going to keep you alive. So maybe you weren't planning to face tank with it, but if you were thinking about standing in one place and firing...

I love this mech and I will agree that I don't win every time I drop in it. It is a gambler's mech. A thrill junkie's mech. If that is not you, go put 2 ERLL on a cheetah and play peekaboo.

[Tiantara]

Gyrok, on 21 March 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

FFS, The archer LRM boat gets more structure quirks than the WHM at same tonnage, AND has bay doors that reduce damage by 10%??

You forgot about ECM on Tempest... It's like catapult mixed with raven. Just scary mech to meet in battle. It disrupt, it blow with missiles and powered with ML. And you can't see it in radar until you die, or just can't hide from it. And every play here 2 or 3 that mech types. Over-popular model. I understand that it made in oppose of Hellbringer (also having LRM on torso), but that Archer looks like unbeatable.

[MovinTarget]

Tiantara, on 21 March 2016 - 06:02 PM, said:

You forgot about ECM on Tempest... It's like catapult mixed with raven. Just scary mech to meet in battle. It disrupt, it blow with missiles and powered with ML. And you can't see it in radar until you die, or just can't hide from it. And every play here 2 or 3 that mech types. Over-popular model. I understand that it made in oppose of Hellbringer (also having LRM on torso), but that Archer looks like unbeatable.

Sorry, but I would pick a Hellbringer over a Tempest if I had to choose a mech for winning.

Every.single.time.

Seriously, ECM HBR versus a Tempest is even fair with high energy mounts. Don't call the CT mounts on a Tempest high because you have to expose half your torso to get your cockpit high enough to see. With an HBR you can put an ERLL *IN YOUR HEAD SLOT* and fire without exposing any torsos.

People in this game... What do you want? Flawless uber-mechs that anyone can pilot without consideration for downsides or need of skill?

They put weaknesses in every chassis for a reason. For variety and to approach some modicum of balance.

Archers are weak because they, by nature, have atrocious hitboxes that prevent it from having much chance in brawls, despite our best efforts to avoid the LRM stereotype.

Comparing the Tempest to the Hellbringer is laughable.

In a 1 v 1 of HBR vs a Tempest, can anyone honestly say they'd take the Tempest hands down?

Edited by MovinTarget, 21 March 2016 - 06:12 PM.

[EGG]

Jenner IIC is a damage monster if used correctly. I can't believe someone is trying to hijack a hotfix thread to demand structure buffs for them...

Dropped in group queue the other week and found we had six Jenner IIC's and one ACH. The enemy team went down so fast we felt sorry for them.

[Calvyr]

My question is whether this hotfix will address the mouse capture issue? I died today because I was running across some open ground to another piece of cover in an SRM Jenner, and when I tried to fire my missiles at an enemy I passed, I lost focus on MWO and it went to Chrome, which was on my other monitor, instead. This left my poor little Jenner standing completely still, looking at an enemy, who proceeded to alpha through my CT before I could get back to the game. I know I've seen other people comment on this problem, and it's happened a few times to me over the last couple of days now.

[Tiantara]

Oh! Nearly forgot... Is there any chance about putting some pre-installed Modules in Trial Mech for teaching players about it (and spend on modules some c-bill in future if they like it) or somehow take a look in Academy like that something (if there a chance to break thin balance between new and pro in real play)? I think it could be reeeeeaaaalyy nice to have a chance get knowledge of some mech\weapon modules to new-players and motivate to play more for buying them. Like - info gathering, zoom, or something else not to powerfull to make a real difference.

[Tiantara]

Calvyr, on 21 March 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

My question is whether this hotfix will address the mouse capture issue?

Using Alt+Tab will cure it. If it happens after waiting screen - just change to any open window and change back by Alt+tab. All works fine... Just don't press ESC and move mouse out of game window...

[Calvyr]

Tiantara, on 21 March 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

Using Alt+Tab will cure it. If it happens after waiting screen - just change to any open window and change back by Alt+tab. All works fine... Just don't press ESC and move mouse out of game window...

Not really helpful when it happens in the middle of a match, where you don't expect it to happen. Like when you're trying to fire weapons. I expect that my cursor isn't bound to the window outside of a match, where I can actually see the cursor, but when in a match and there's no cursor, your mouse shouldn't be leaving the window/screen.

[Tiantara]

MovinTarget, on 21 March 2016 - 06:04 PM, said:

Sorry, but I would pick a Hellbringer over a Tempest if I had to choose a mech for winning.
Every.single.time.

Seriously, ECM HBR versus a Tempest is even fair with high energy mounts. Don't call the CT mounts on a Tempest high because you have to expose half your torso to get your cockpit high enough to see. With an HBR you can put an ERLL *IN YOUR HEAD SLOT* and fire without exposing any torsos.

People in this game... What do you want? Flawless uber-mechs that anyone can pilot without consideration for downsides or need of skill?
They put weaknesses in every chassis for a reason. For variety and to approach some modicum of balance.

Archers are weak because they, by nature, have atrocious hitboxes that prevent it from having much chance in brawls, despite our best efforts to avoid the LRM stereotype.
Comparing the Tempest to the Hellbringer is laughable.

In a 1 v 1 of HBR vs a Tempest, can anyone honestly say they'd take the Tempest hands down?

Me to. In ERLL I think the same. But - for LRM no need to show cockpit. If in team good narc user - invisible by ECM Tempest just rains with missile. And they hit well trough AMS. Better than Clan LRM which dissolve in crossfired AMS doing no dmg. And yes. Strange but Tempest really hard to kill even in brawling. Not like MadDog or Catapult. In many battle Archer one of the mech still walking on ground.
In same load up - HBR with LRM have no chance... All other builds like - UAC5 or LPL+ML - HBR win, if not narc'ed or tag'ed.

[Tiantara]

Calvyr, on 21 March 2016 - 06:23 PM, said:

Not really helpful when it happens in the middle of a match, where you don't expect it to happen. Like when you're trying to fire weapons. I expect that my cursor isn't bound to the window outside of a match, where I can actually see the cursor, but when in a match and there's no cursor, your mouse shouldn't be leaving the window/screen.

Oh, like i said... Right when match start and you can control mech - move mouse far enough to see cursor arrow out of game window. If you see that - change window by Alt+tab and back to game. It works really. Even in battle. if you see that mouse run out of window bound. I can see that often - couse I play in window mode and squished by vertical (4:3 monitor). It helps.

[PraetorGix]

MovinTarget, on 21 March 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:

Okay okay you all convinced me.

Please give the jenner IIc some structure quirks! Make it usable by people that don't know how to take advantage of its existing potential! Make it more durable so that when I run it the way I always have it will be less of a gamble and more of a sure thing!

I am sure that no one will abuse the #@$@#$ out of it if you buff it. I mean, just look at how respectful ACH pilots were and PGI callously removed the leg quirks! The nerve!

Thats right, I don't care about balance or implications!

I didn't just want a mech that is only rivalled in speed by a single variant of the wolfhound amongst 35 tonners.

I didn't just want a mech that could pack more SRM punch than an Oxide... AND HAS JUMP JETS.

No, it has to be all that *and* have structure quirks because my money is worth more than anyone else's that bought any other mech in the history of MWO!

/end sarcasm

Wow so intelligent, I will bend over to your superior persuasion skills! I am completely and utterly wrong and I am ashamed..

Listen Einstein, if you take the time to actually read, I'm not saying my money is better than anyone else's. Im saying it's EQUALLY GOOD. So, if an Archer buyer gets to receive much needed buffs in a reasonable amount of time, the IICs I got should get just the same. Or maybe should I say, f*ck Archer quirks, the problem is people not knowing "how to take advantage of its existing potential"? If some people do fine in IICs then a buff is out of the question, but if people do bad in an Archer the obvious solution is buffing it? Nah sorry but I don't see the logic in that. What makes your point valid and mine fallacious? Only your own skewed opinion. And unlike you, I am not against buffed Archers, I am against something that is not just.

[MovinTarget]

Calvyr, on 21 March 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

My question is whether this hotfix will address the mouse capture issue? I died today because I was running across some open ground to another piece of cover in an SRM Jenner, and when I tried to fire my missiles at an enemy I passed, I lost focus on MWO and it went to Chrome, which was on my other monitor, instead. This left my poor little Jenner standing completely still, looking at an enemy, who proceeded to alpha through my CT before I could get back to the game. I know I've seen other people comment on this problem, and it's happened a few times to me over the last couple of days now.

Best way I found to avoid this is to simply minimize all windows other than MWO once the match begins...

[Calvyr]

Tiantara, on 21 March 2016 - 06:34 PM, said:

Oh, like i said... Right when match start and you can control mech - move mouse far enough to see cursor arrow out of game window. If you see that - change window by Alt+tab and back to game. It works really. Even in battle. if you see that mouse run out of window bound. I can see that often - couse I play in window mode and squished by vertical (4:3 monitor). It helps.

What I meant is that it's not very helpful when it happens in the middle of a fight, like in the situation I described. And while a match is getting ready to start, I'm not thinking about whether I need to check if my mouse cursor is bound to the window.

MovinTarget, on 21 March 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Best way I found to avoid this is to simply minimize all windows other than MWO once the match begins...

I can't see how that would help, since it would just focus to the desktop. Same result, dead mech.

Edited by Calvyr, 21 March 2016 - 06:38 PM.

[Tiantara]

Calvyr, on 21 March 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

What I meant is that it's not very helpful when it happens in the middle of a fight, like in the situation I described. And while a match is getting ready to start, I'm not thinking about whether I need to check if my mouse cursor is bound to the window.

1-2 seconds of match start do nothing. But if you do that - such thing won't appear in the middle of the game. Until that fixed - you just can try it from time to time...