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[Rejarial Galatan]

Ok, I have a question.

It is simple.

Are people allergic to hitting R for radar locks? I simply do not understand why people insist on shooting at things and NOT hitting R to get a radar lock. It does not help your team to NOT relay a targeting signal. What it DOES do by NOT getting said lock, is let the enemy mechs run around free from most LRM bombardments.

Look, its simple, you spot a mech, hit R, takes half a second at most. Information is absolutely vital to a victory. I dont care if its here on MWO or out in the real world, information is absolutely vital. Why do you think militaries and their command governments spend BILLIONS in cryptogrophy, spy networks <orbital and terrestrial based> and so on and so forth? Why do you think the Germans in WW2 had the enigma machines? Why did the US in WW2 use Navajo code talkers? To control the dissemination of information to those who needed it.

To NOT use such a vital resource is inviting defeat. In the last few matches I have played prior to making this post, the times my team was targeting things saw more victories than the times my team refused to use R to get radar locks. You invite disaster <namely loss here> by NOT letting those who use LRMs rain hell down on your enemy by not using R.

[Chimera_]

I mean, the only reason I can think of to not need to hit R is if you already did and read their readout, and you're the last person left on your team so it wouldn't be relayed to anyone. I've done this when I'm in super concentrated 1v1 mode at the end of a match, but really there's no benefit to not targetting them, even in that situation.

I must say it pains me greatly when I see an enemy I know is hurt badly in a certain area but an ally doesn't hit R and so shoots the wrong components. When a match is at the tipping point, that can easily make a loss.

[kesmai]

Get your own locks lurmleech.
na, just kidding. Most new keyboards aren't even delivered with a 'r'. I heard you can buy 'r's with mc soon. I better stop now.

[OMG Laserguns]

If I'm only exposing myself long enough to fire, I won't always bother hitting R on my target because it'll be lost as soon as I'm back in cover. But if I'm engaging for longer than one salvo, I'll almost always hit R, if only to get targeting info.

[nehebkau]

Hmm... I am really torn over the issue... As a light, do I support someone who has picked a bad weapon, who will probably end up hitting me with those LRMs as I try to stay behind the mech I am attacking so that they can score some damage? Do I unlock as quickly as I can when it auto locks to keep myself from getting FF damage but risk not doing enough damage to the enemy?

What I have found, is that LRMers will choose the WORST target to use their LRMs on and, usually that is a mech that is in the middle of a brawl with friendly mechs or a mech that is hiding behind a building and not able to be hit by those LRMs. So my personal experience makes me feel not so helpful.

So while I see the OPs point -- There is a part of me that really doesn't want to help LRM mechs who can't get their own locks. I mean, why should I do all the work, take all the risk so that you can press a button? Why should I help you to artificially inflate your PSR? Should I do it because of teamwork? My own desire to win?

<sigh> How about PGI start a NON-LRM public queue and an NON-ECM LRM only queue. I mean players are looking for more of a carebear mode so new queue, no ECM and only LRMs and MGs.

Edited by nehebkau, 22 March 2016 - 07:21 AM.

[Raso]

If you don't have a target your mech should auto target the first mech it sees. Why? Because its a multiple millions Cbill piece of machinery and such a feature should be standard.

It would be great if more people locked targets. The lack of communication (or the ignoring of vital info) is often time the root of a 0-12 sweep. When you say "8 baddies in F7" no one listens. When you put a little Dorito and red box on their HUD at least a few people will about face.


And to the guy above me deliberately withholding locks is petty. It's a team game. If you're a scout and you're not going to do your job to spite someone else's job (however usless of a job LRMing is) then you're a hindrance to you team. It's not your job to judge other people's play styles let alone punish your team for the choice of a few peeps to bring weapons you don't like. If you're aware that such teammates are already a hindrance to your team then why hinder your team further?

[Stingray Productions]

UAV then I guess.

[Thunderbird Anthares]

nehebkau, on 22 March 2016 - 07:19 AM, said:

Hmm... I am really torn over the issue... As a light, do I support someone who has picked a bad weapon, who will probably end up hitting me with those LRMs as I try to stay behind the mech I am attacking so that they can score some damage? Do I unlock as quickly as I can when it auto locks to keep myself from getting FF damage but risk not doing enough damage to the enemy?

What I have found, is that LRMers will choose the WORST target to use their LRMs on and, usually that is a mech that is in the middle of a brawl with friendly mechs or a mech that is hiding behind a building and not able to be hit by those LRMs. So my personal experience makes me feel not so helpful.

So while I see the OPs point -- There is a part of me that really doesn't want to help LRM mechs who can't get their own locks. I mean, why should I do all the work, take all the risk so that you can press a button? Why should I help you to artificially inflate your PSR? Should I do it because of teamwork? My own desire to win?

<sigh> How about PGI start a NON-LRM public queue and an NON-ECM LRM only queue. I mean players are looking for more of a carebear mode so new queue, no ECM and only LRMs and MGs.

how about you quit complaining about trash players and relay the position of an enemy to the rest of your team, lurms or no lurms?

maybe telling the lurmer which target to shoot at would help aswell - even people trying to get their own locks and artemis bonus like me appreciate calling in a target thats lined up for a good shot

[Goose]

Wow: Thread was derailed by the OP himself with "LuRM" reference …

[mogs01gt]

IMO all weapons, especially lasers, should require hitting R on to do full damage. Makes no damn sense that an instant weapon like a laser doesnt require lock on.

[stocky0904]

nehebkau, on 22 March 2016 - 07:19 AM, said:

Hmm... I am really torn over the issue... As a light, do I support someone who has picked a bad weapon, who will probably end up hitting me with those LRMs as I try to stay behind the mech I am attacking so that they can score some damage? Do I unlock as quickly as I can when it auto locks to keep myself from getting FF damage but risk not doing enough damage to the enemy?

What I have found, is that LRMers will choose the WORST target to use their LRMs on and, usually that is a mech that is in the middle of a brawl with friendly mechs or a mech that is hiding behind a building and not able to be hit by those LRMs. So my personal experience makes me feel not so helpful.

So while I see the OPs point -- There is a part of me that really doesn't want to help LRM mechs who can't get their own locks. I mean, why should I do all the work, take all the risk so that you can press a button? Why should I help you to artificially inflate your PSR? Should I do it because of teamwork? My own desire to win?

<sigh> How about PGI start a NON-LRM public queue and an NON-ECM LRM only queue. I mean players are looking for more of a carebear mode so new queue, no ECM and only LRMs and MGs.

Maybe PGI should start a "troll only" queue. And the community can vote who has to play in it!

[Luminis]

I always lock. Mostly because providing the minimap marker seems vital to me. Also, loadout and damage info.

What I won't do, however, is go out of my way / put myself in additional danger to maintain a lock that's otherwise going to break because of LoS. I'm also not going to think twice about switching targets if I need info on another enemy's loadout or damage.

Fun observation: Matches that start with a "locks plz" usually seem to end in losses

[Kurbeks]

Shoot first, ask questions (push R) later

[Solarise]

Yep =) shoot the same mech your friend is hitting

[Herbert the Turbot]

I always press R. If you don't press R, then the rest of the team without Los don't know where the enemy are. The whole team knowing or not knowing where the enemy are is often the difference between victory and defeat and this has nothing to do with LRM's. If the enemy push and your brawlers are in the wrong place, because they don't know the enemy's location, because people aren't pressing R, then you get facerolled. Not pressing R is helping the opposition.

[Azalie]

People keep saying "Press r" and everytime I do all I get is OVERRIDE ENGAGED

Edited by Azalie, 22 March 2016 - 08:34 AM.

[Tatula]

Don't press R to benefit your team mates! Press R to benefit YOURSELF! I ALWAYS press R when I have a target because I get information on where best to shoot. Leg armor stripped? Shoot it! Side torso cherry red? Shoot it! A stick with all its weapons stripped? Pick a more dangerous target. Fresh Direwolf just came around the corner? RUN AWAY!

[Galenit]

Mouthbreathing?
Lots of players play metamechs because its the easiest way,
they need one or maybe two buttons.
You cant expect that they are able to use "r" together with the rest,
maybe they instead would forget to breath?

[Damia Savon]

You always target so you get data on your enemy and know where to inflict the most damage. Allowing lrm mechs to help you is just gravy

[Greyhart]

Yes R as everyone knows is over powered.

also the number of times I have been the last to a fight in a direwolf and can just mash the R button and rack up those scouting c-bills.

R allows you to kill quicker
R tells you team where the enemy is
R allow LRMs to soften up and distract the enemy
R earns you money.

There is no good reason not to lock targets. None at all.