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[Navid A1]

Xavori, on 22 March 2016 - 08:32 AM, said:

Navid,

How often do you actually manage to stick narcs? I mean, you're tying up a lot of tonnage that could be going to more lurmies

I've been running a narc kitfox for a FULL year (in 2014)... more than 1200 matches of exclusive narcing.... not a single other chassis.
So, putting narcookies on targets is not very challenging... even locusts running 160 kph from 500m away. It just takes some practice.
Only challenge is targets moving out of range of the 450m narc becaon. And the occasional AMS taking the narc beacon out midflight

I'm getting way more benefit out of that narc in comparison to the 4 tons i've sacrificed.

[Xavori]

Navid A1, on 22 March 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

I've been running a narc kitfox for a FULL year (in 2014)... more than 1200 matches of exclusive narcing.... not a single other chassis.
So, putting narcookies on targets is not very challenging... even locusts running 160 kph from 500m away. It just takes some practice.
Only challenge is targets moving out of range of the 450m narc becaon. And the occasional AMS taking the narc beacon out midflight

I'm getting way more benefit out of that narc in comparison to the 4 tons i've sacrificed.

The reason I asked is that 4 tons of lrms is 720 damage. Then when you add in 5 LRM5's running with cooldown mod in chainfire, you get nonstop firing which burns through LRM's pretty quick, and I find that far more useful in both suppression and damage output even if it means at times I'm risking myself by needing to get LOS myself which NARC would require anyway.

But it's definitely something to think about...

[Thunderbird Anthares]

i dont think you'll ever see me NOT running LRMs on an Archer

im not exactly a lore purist, far from it in fact... but it just seems WRONG to make it a laser vomit machine, even if it has SRMs...

but then again, i always tend to avoid the sad, sad and boring laser vomit builds whenever viable

[Arctourus]

Here's my 5w:

ARCHER ARC-5W 13 8 5 1.60 19 5 3.80 5,469 20,273 01:46:54

Run six lrm5s, a narc in the CT high mount spot and an srm4 in each arm. Constant rain of lrms, peek and narc and some defense from brawlers/lights.

[Alistair Winter]

Macksheen, on 22 March 2016 - 07:14 AM, said:

Sadly this is more about the state of lrm5 than the platform.

Yeah. And specifically, heavy / assault mechs with enough hardpoints to do this sort of thing.

I keep telling people LRM boating works at higher tiers too, but people don't believe it. Oh well. <shrug>

Thunderbird Anthares, on 22 March 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

i dont think you'll ever see me NOT running LRMs on an Archer

im not exactly a lore purist, far from it in fact... but it just seems WRONG to make it a laser vomit machine, even if it has SRMs...

but then again, i always tend to avoid the sad, sad and boring laser vomit builds whenever viable

[Ghogiel]

Why do I neer see these big dmg num screenshots against non potato players?

[Alardus]

skelley92, on 22 March 2016 - 04:41 AM, said:

I just started using them on Saturday and from all the doom and gloom about them on the forums before hand I was really worried that it would be complete s*** mech. But after playing it, I actually enjoy it and do pretty well with it.

I really like that build for the 5W Navid. It's close to the one I have been using from the start, no NARC 4 SRM 4'. It's fun giving someone a face full of SRM when they think all I have is LRM 5's. Actually had a guy in a Jenner get inside 180m and stop to line up a shot and SPAT! dead Jenner.

Like I said, its because people have a new toy and they get too eager to show it off by brawling 12v1 and then they vaporize and whine about how it isn't durable enough.

Total /facepalm

[xVLFBERHxT]

[Roadkill]

El Bandito, on 22 March 2016 - 04:11 AM, said:

Hats off to you, sir. Truly, it is all about the pilot.

I run 6 x LRM-5 and 3 x SRM-6 on mine.

With a module, 6 lurms will chain fire continuously and can be fired in a single salvo without generating too much ghost heat. I use the salvo when a target is likely to get cover and the chain when I can let 'er rip all day long.

The SRMs are just gravy, usually. I only carry 2 tons of SRM ammo and rarely use all of it. Though I do quite often get kills with them because people think I'm just an LRM boat.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 22 March 2016 - 03:30 AM, said:

I'm having hell of an enjoyable time with the 5W doing pure LRM build. So far I played 30 matches with it, and the results speak for themselves. With PGI deciding to quirk buff the Archer in few hours, this is what I could manage in my free time. People wanted proof of LRM Archer doing well, so here it is. 100% Solo-Q matches.

*edit* Special thanks the JackalBeast for the Archer pack and Aetes Nakatomi for the Tempest add on. Without your gifts, I wouldn't have been able to make my point in time.




Here is the build for the mech that earned its stripes. Eight LRM5s with over 1900 ammo, firing 4x4. Just stay near the front line, and lurm away. Forumites who had dropped with me can attest to its effectiveness.



Some match scores.

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And this mech is going to get buffs? Heehaw!

My Hunchback will be looking for you.

3 good screenies. Wow. Because you know..we long determined that all it took was a couple screenies to prove Tier 1 Meta MEch.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 March 2016 - 10:56 AM.

[Navid A1]

Ghogiel, on 22 March 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

Why do I neer see these big dmg num screenshots against non potato players?

Can't a man have fun in his own imaginary bubble !

[Bishop Steiner]

Navid A1, on 22 March 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Can't a man have fun in his own imaginary bubble !

Hey, there's now like....4 people on the entire forums convinced the Archer is good.... and one of them actually is a decent, if skewed player. It must be true!

(well, in fairness, 2 of em are convinced LRMs are super secret Ninja Meta Weapons, and that they are Tier 0 ubercomp players, but ya know, hard to make people take their meds over the internet)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 March 2016 - 11:11 AM.

[chewie]

Good job bandito.


If weren't for the team you had and the piss poor opponents you ran against in 2 out of the 3 pics you posted, I'd actually think you did a great job.....




Now Navid's post is worthy of praise.

His opponents cut his team to ribbons. Yet he survived. And did 1100+ damage.

Now THAT'S an achievement.


I'm certainly not anything more than mediocre in my archer. Heck, my best round was about the 650 mark and never yet to repeat it....

But this mech requires a team that is supportive, a player that is aware of where his team is, an opposing team that truly is bad, and lights light don't track you down while your trying to lurm some other player 500mrs out.

Here's to getting some (half)decent quirks later tonight.....

[Bishop Steiner]

chewie, on 22 March 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

Good job bandito.


If weren't for the team you had and the piss poor opponents you ran against in 2 out of the 3 pics you posted, I'd actually think you did a great job.....




Now Navid's post is worthy of praise.

His opponents cut his team to ribbons. Yet he survived. And did 1100+ damage.

Now THAT'S an achievement.


I'm certainly not anything more than mediocre in my archer. Heck, my best round was about the 650 mark and never yet to repeat it....

But this mech requires a team that is supportive, a player that is aware of where his team is, an opposing team that truly is bad, and lights light don't track you down while your trying to lurm some other player 500mrs out.

Here's to getting some (half)decent quirks later tonight.....

Point is, if you manage to truly "carry harder" in an Archer, it's a noteworthy accomplishment. Navid apparently did (well, one one match, though what without seeing a replay it's not like we can know how aggressive either team was). Against any aggressive comp type push? I love seeing slow, LRM only mechs. Especially ones that don't even have a TAG for dealing with ECM. Basically one Arctic Cheetah, Raven 3L or Griffin 2N away from death.

[chewie]

Thats the point though. Its so damned hard to carry hard in the Archer right now.

You have to be so damned lucky and such a bad team fighting you, to do well all the time.

[Lupis Volk]

What is this? 5W with Lurms and not boating SMR's. Heresy i say heresy!

[Alardus]

chewie, on 22 March 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

Thats the point though. Its so damned hard to carry hard in the Archer right now.

You have to be so damned lucky and such a bad team fighting you, to do well all the time.

No one should be able to carry if the teams have equal skill on both sides. A mech that lets you do that while violating this rule is obviously out of balance.

Edited by Alardus, 22 March 2016 - 01:23 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alardus, on 22 March 2016 - 01:22 PM, said:

No one should be able to carry if the teams have equal skill on both sides. A mech that lets you do that while violating this rule is obviously out of balance.

There's never equal skill/intelligence across the board.

A "carry mech" still fails in the hands of a bad pilot. Some mechs just fail at it no matter whose hands it's in. The only issue is when the imbalance is similar to after the initial Clan Invasion, where yes, a well run TBR was worth 3-4 IS Heavies.

Carry harder isn't 1 man fighting 12 at one time. People who carry harder are those who know how to stretch the opponent out, flank and take advantage of it. Some mechs allow you to so this, some mechs, like a slow lrm only mech with squishy torsos, usually will not, unless you truly are facing terribads.

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 March 2016 - 07:47 AM, said:

Archer with an XL engine eh? Now I know where to shoot if I run into you in game.

This was done by the same guy who insists that an XL Atlas boating LRMs is totally viable and effective.

[The Basilisk]

Wow yea....thats awsome....what game do you play ?
MWO 2 ?
When I try to lurm no one holds a lock longer than 2 secs and when I install TAG and beagle I am stone dead the very second i leave my hiding spot even when in the middle of my team.