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[Trauglodyte]

I swear, I can't wait to get this. I'm probably going to be widely disappointed by it but, anything that comes into the game that shuts down the plethora of people that run 3+ Large Laser builds or the 3x3 Large Pulse/Medium Laser vomit is going to make me happy. Even if it is bad, as long as it semi-punishes people for doing this is a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind, hate, or despise energy builds. I've been playing Awesomes and Cicadas since Beta. What I mind and what is really bad for the game, in general, is the lack of a system that prevents people from taking the biggest weapon possible and just spewing it all over the place without any drawback. The lack of heat penalties, to-date, is why people do this. Here is to hoping we finally get some semblance of it.

[Alardus]

Thanks for being for nerfing the awesome's original design even more.

[Tyler Valentine]

Trauglodyte, on 23 March 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

...but, anything that comes into the game that shuts down the plethora of people that run 3+ Large Laser builds or the 3x3 Large Pulse/Medium Laser vomit is going to make me happy.

We'll still run it. I'll just have to stay in cover longer after I kill you

[Gas Guzzler]

Trauglodyte, on 23 March 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

I swear, I can't wait to get this. I'm probably going to be widely disappointed by it but, anything that comes into the game that shuts down the plethora of people that run 3+ Large Laser builds or the 3x3 Large Pulse/Medium Laser vomit is going to make me happy. Even if it is bad, as long as it semi-punishes people for doing this is a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind, hate, or despise energy builds. I've been playing Awesomes and Cicadas since Beta. What I mind and what is really bad for the game, in general, is the lack of a system that prevents people from taking the biggest weapon possible and just spewing it all over the place without any drawback. The lack of heat penalties, to-date, is why people do this. Here is to hoping we finally get some semblance of it.

3 large lasers too much for you? Can't handle 27 damage? Find a new game. Jesus. What do you want people to take? 2 Machine guns, an AC2, an lrm 10, an SRM 4, and 2 medium lasers?

[cazidin]

Tyler Valentine, on 23 March 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

We'll still run it. I'll just have to stay in cover longer after I kill you

Technically, that assumes they'll let you fire beyond your power limit which may not even be possible. Similar to how you cannot fire more than two Gauss Rifles at one time and there's a short, half or full second delay afterwards before you can fire again. I imagine Power Draw will be similar to MASC though.

[Tyler Valentine]

cazidin, on 23 March 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

Technically, that assumes they'll let you fire beyond your power limit which may not even be possible. Similar to how you cannot fire more than two Gauss Rifles at one time and there's a short, half or full second delay afterwards before you can fire again. I imagine Power Draw will be similar to MASC though.

I assume nothing.

[sycocys]

Tyler Valentine, on 23 March 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

We'll still run it. I'll just have to stay in cover longer after I kill you

This is exactly how it will work, in fact it will probably be worse without the # of weapons cap. 4-6 LL and hide.

[Jetdrag]

Laser damage is so easy to spread. Twist baby, twist!

[Tyler Valentine]

sycocys, on 23 March 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

This is exactly how it will work, in fact it will probably be worse without the # of weapons cap. 4-6 LL and hide.

Exactly.

My post was both a comical homage to Sycocys's point here and the fact that that's exactly what I'll do because PGI failed to give me a reason not to...

[Triordinant]

Alardus, on 23 March 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

Thanks for being for nerfing the awesome's original design even more.

Awesome's original design is a PPC boat. Russ said they might lower the heat of PPCs.

[MischiefSC]

Gas Guzzler, on 23 March 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

3 large lasers too much for you? Can't handle 27 damage? Find a new game. Jesus. What do you want people to take? 2 Machine guns, an AC2, an lrm 10, an SRM 4, and 2 medium lasers?

Standard pug queue build. I don't see the problem. Only 1 fire group, I just alpha that bad boy. 32 pts alpha, dps of almost 12!

[Alardus]

cazidin, on 23 March 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

Technically, that assumes they'll let you fire beyond your power limit which may not even be possible. Similar to how you cannot fire more than two Gauss Rifles at one time and there's a short, half or full second delay afterwards before you can fire again. I imagine Power Draw will be similar to MASC though.

Ah, so why don't they just rename the change to "no more alpha strikes". Isn't that what people are most upset over anyway?

[cazidin]

Alardus, on 23 March 2016 - 04:30 PM, said:

Ah, so why don't they just rename the change to "no more alpha strikes". Isn't that what people are most upset over anyway?

Power Draw, Ghost Power, Ghost Draw and/or Ghost Heat II all have better names.

[no one]

Oh no. PGI had an 'idea' on how to 'balance' the heat system without modifying dissipation or capacity, didn't they?

[MischiefSC]

cazidin, on 23 March 2016 - 04:31 PM, said:

Power Draw, Ghost Power, Ghost Draw and/or Ghost Heat II all have better names.

Ghost Balance.

Boom.

One name for a dozen feature changes.

[Jikil]

So do we have any kind of details on the new ghost heat replacement? Can we get something other than Heat penalties?

I feel like temporarily increasing weapon cooldown would be easier and still allow for alpha striking, but at a cost.

[Coolant]

can't wait till the new system is in place...can't wait to see those pilots that think they are really something turn out to be nothing.

[VorpalAnvil]

Alardus, on 23 March 2016 - 04:30 PM, said:

Ah, so why don't they just rename the change to "no more alpha strikes". Isn't that what Yolo solos, T5 Founders, and general terribads who refuse to learn to play the damn game are most upset over anyway?

FTFY

[cazidin]

MischiefSC, on 23 March 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

Ghost Balance.

Boom.

One name for a dozen feature changes.

The ironic thing is, that elegant solution is undeserving of being labelled a Ghost Mechanic.

[TyphonCh]

You realize that it will probably just be a tweak to current system???
I was stoked for the great 'rebalance' before the Steam release, promising info warfare, and ecm mechanic changes. All it turned out to be was a %50 decrease to ECM radius and a mix up of half baked quirks. That 'rebalance' created the IS ERLL imbalance, immortal Blackjacks, and epic ballistic quirks on mechs that had no ballistics. The only good that came from it was AC2 and SRM buffs.
Convoluted mechanics aside, I set my expectations low so I won't be disappointed. If they actually come up with something decent I'll be impressed.