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80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie, on 03 April 2016 - 08:10 PM, said:

Rofl


Do you honestly think PGI is going to do squat about the vindy? It sucks and will always suck.

I won't lie, I watched the whole thing.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I still feel the Phoenix Hawk is going to have similar issues as a 45 ton humanoid.

The best hope for the PHX is that it is scaled smaller than the Vindi. The PHX does have speed (high engine cap) along with NARC, and ECM in some variants to help. Still, it is going to be weak in durability as a 45 ton mech and that low tonnage isn't going to help any variant with multiple ballistic hard points.

I'm thinking the PHX will be better than the Vindicator, but I also feel it may need to be piloted similar to a Vindi for the best effect. That means a lot of players may overestimate the PHX capability and we may see a lot of frustrated players.

If you have a PHX pack on order, it might be time to train on Vindicators before it comes out. You will be a better PHX pilot for it.

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MeiSooHaityu, on 03 April 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

If you have a PHX pack on order, it might be time to train on Vindicators before it comes out. You will be a better PHX pilot for it.

Or train on Firestarters with slightly smaller engines...

Specifically, the Ember.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Cptn Goodvibes Pig of Steel, on 01 April 2016 - 07:41 PM, said:

The game is not designed for what the Vindicator was good at. Below is a lift from Sara about this mech. Essentially, a very average mech, who's main advantage was being cheap, easy to maintain and produce. Until we have a game mode in MWO which can reflect this (which is never), then it's rather pointless in discussing the failures and merits of this mech.

"The Vindicator is one of the most well known Capellan Confederation BattleMechs. This workhorse of the CCAF was built in 2826 between the First and Second Succession War to maximize the effectiveness of the Confederation's production capabilities and fulfill as many roles as possible. Designed by committee, the Vindicator's "jack-of-all-trades" nature means it does not excel in any one role but fulfills them adequately. With almost all of its components produced on Capella, the Vindicator is also cheap, easy to mass produce, and quick to repair with a ready supply of spare parts."^]

In Stock Mode Vindi is very good mech.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

Or train on Firestarters with slightly smaller engines...

Specifically, the Ember.

Nah, a Firestarter is too easy.

If the Phoenix Hawk is the size of the Vindicator (which is too large for a 45 ton humanoid IMO), then I especially disagree.

[Brizna]

MeiSooHaityu, on 03 April 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Wow. Solo'd an ACH with a hardmode mech in the worst variant it has (I thought the 1X was bad, but I had no idea till I bought a SIB). Even if the ACH pilot is the worst pilot in MWO, on a bad day, that is still impressive lol.

I know, a brutal thing to say about the Vindi. I love Vindi's, don't get me wrong, but there is reality too. It's tough love for the chassis lol.

Blasphemy!!!

VND 1X is the worst mech in this game PERIOD.

This build for SIB (2SRM4, 2LL, 1ML, 4JJ, Beagle, 250XL) with the quirks on SIB is tiers upon tiers above anything you can imagine to build with 1X.

Edited by Brizna, 04 April 2016 - 06:07 AM.

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Brizna, on 04 April 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

Blasphemy!!!

VND 1X is the worst mech in this game PERIOD.

This build for SIB (2SRM4, 2LL, 1ML, 4JJ, Beagle, 250XL) with the quirks on SIB is tiers upon tiers above anything you can imagine to build with 1X.

Ehhh. I'll tell you why I don't like the SIB. Mind you, this is just my opinion and based on my play style, but here it goes...

The Vindicator is kind of fragile in general. Because of this, I like to engage at range and I tend to min/max the build. My 1AA has 2 PPCs in one arm and my 1R has 2 LPLasers in one arm. Even my X1 has 3 A/C2s in one arm. I can hug cover and poke, shoot, and scoot.

The SIB only has one energy per arm and that one in the head. It means that the SIB can't load up on firepower for one side. This is good if you lose an arm of course, but overall I'm trying to range and snipe and use cover. For that tactic, the SIB puts me at a disadvantage. I could (and did at one time) run SRMs, but I really hate closing to within 270m of any enemy mech unless they are almost dead (trying to be a vulture so to speak). The Vindicator is just so fragile that closing range is a risky proposition (for me anyway) to use those SRMs.

So, this is what I am running...

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...08e31861cbb8e90

It's ok. I can keep a more stand-off range and still be a decent harasser. It just never feels that fun to me though.

The Vindicator 1X is most likely worse, but honestly I have a LOT more fun with it...

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...7f85a7723599ea9

I have also run this too (more practical), but not quite as fun...

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4c5e972b3b4bfce

Maybe that is why I enjoy the 1X more than the SIB.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 04 April 2016 - 06:47 AM.

[Brizna]

Well I don't know how you can enjoy a 3xAC2, but if that's your thing 1X is definitely much better than SIB. Me I prefer to brawl, even if brawling is not the flavour of the year I still love wrecking faces at close range , but if that's not your thing then just have fun as you like.

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Brizna, on 04 April 2016 - 07:04 AM, said:

Well I don't know how you can enjoy a 3xAC2, but if that's your thing 1X is definitely much better than SIB. Me I prefer to brawl, even if brawling is not the flavour of the year I still love wrecking faces at close range , but if that's not your thing then just have fun as you like.

If I put 3+ A/C2s on anything, I'm having fun lol. I'll admit though, It works much better in something a bit heavier with higher mounts like a Shadow Hawk 2H, but it still tends to do suppressing fire fairly well. Again, it is more for the entertainment factor than probably the total effectiveness factor.

As for, I guess a more brawl config, I like my 1R over the SIB (it's off of memory, but should be similar to this).
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6ff4cb50d99c7fb

Again though, to each their own.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 04 April 2016 - 07:13 AM.