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[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 01 April 2016 - 10:00 AM, said:

I keep mashing F5 while looking at the home page, but PGI doesn't seem to have posted an update for April 1st yet.

Maybe they will post that they plan to buff the Vindicator...

Shaqhawk 3050 said:

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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Adamski, on 01 April 2016 - 09:59 AM, said:

You can easily increase the Grasshoppers volume by increasing the thickness of its arms or legs. In the case of the arms, it would probably even help it more by adding to its tankiness.

How does increasing the shootable surface somehow increase the tankiness unless it just forces them to redo the hitboxes to not be a walking CT (which doesn't require a rescale to do)?

[Tarogato]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 01 April 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

How does increasing the shootable surface somehow increase the tankiness unless it just forces them to redo the hitboxes to not be a walking CT (which doesn't require a rescale to do)?

Bigger arms = soaking more damage = torso taking less damage = increased tankiness. Same reason why we don't strip our arm armour on Atlases... the arms are huge and useful.

[Clownwarlord]

OK so I was right the worst mech in this game is the Vindicator. I plan to ask about the vindicator then tonight at the town hall.

[Brizna]

Disclaimer this Vindicator build only works in Tier 1.

Buy a Vindicator 1X and equip 1LB10X and 1 ERPPC on single heat sinks.

Go fight the enemy and you will literally freeze-puzzle your foes, a shame you are shut down and can't profit from the perma stun.

[cazidin]

Brizna, on 01 April 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Disclaimer this Vindicator build only works in Tier 1.

Buy a Vindicator 1X and equip 1LB10X and 1 ERPPC on single heat sinks.

Go fight the enemy and you will literally freeze-puzzle your foes, a shame you are shut down and can't profit from the perma stun.

But how will they know of your great shame? Is there some hidden interface option to detect when my opponent has single or double heat sinks equipped or must I seek a greater, more psychic power?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Tarogato, on 01 April 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

Bigger arms = soaking more damage = torso taking less damage = increased tankiness. Same reason why we don't strip our arm armour on Atlases... the arms are huge and useful.

The biggest thing is the hitboxes on the hopper just needs to be redone so the CT isn't so damn big. This idea that the arms are the only thing that will be made thicker and that it will help the hopper with its fragility issues is a bit misplaced imo as well, because the arms aren't going to be the only thing thinner.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 01 April 2016 - 05:30 PM.

[Cptn Goodvibes Pig of Steel]

The game is not designed for what the Vindicator was good at. Below is a lift from Sara about this mech. Essentially, a very average mech, who's main advantage was being cheap, easy to maintain and produce. Until we have a game mode in MWO which can reflect this (which is never), then it's rather pointless in discussing the failures and merits of this mech.

"The Vindicator is one of the most well known Capellan Confederation BattleMechs. This workhorse of the CCAF was built in 2826 between the First and Second Succession War to maximize the effectiveness of the Confederation's production capabilities and fulfill as many roles as possible. Designed by committee, the Vindicator's "jack-of-all-trades" nature means it does not excel in any one role but fulfills them adequately. With almost all of its components produced on Capella, the Vindicator is also cheap, easy to mass produce, and quick to repair with a ready supply of spare parts."^]

[Adamski]

The Urbanmech is also known for being cheap and its a viable mech. (At least as viable as the KFX, ADR, SDR, etc)

No reason the Vindicator cant be made viable / better.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 01 April 2016 - 05:22 PM, said:

The biggest thing is the hitboxes on the hopper just needs to be redone so the CT isn't so damn big. This idea that the arms are the only thing that will be made thicker and that it will help the hopper with its fragility issues is a bit misplaced imo as well, because the arms aren't going to be the only thing thinner.

Keep in mind, just because the Volume changes, doesn't mean the Hitboxes need to remain the same. If the CT is too big, the ST hitboxes can be changed to be larger to cover more of the CT, and then extend the Arm hitboxes into the STs.

[Brizna]

Adamski, on 01 April 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:

The Urbanmech is also known for being cheap and its a viable mech. (At least as viable as the KFX, ADR, SDR, etc)

No reason the Vindicator cant be made viable / better.

I think the main problem is that Vindicator doesn't feel like anything special, while KFX, Urby and ADR all have a few builds/gimmicks that are either decent or simply special even if they aren't exactly meta stuff. Like 3xAMS KFX, Double C-ERPPC and and all those berserker adder builds (4xcSRMs, UAC20, 5CMPL, Pocket streak boat), and what can you say about urbanmech other than .

Vindicator on the other hand is the embodiment of meh and unremarkable, not unviable though.

1AA 2xPPC is decent.
1R 5MPL+SRM6A, STD 235 is a surprisingly tanky brawler.

[FalconerGray]

I just had a pug match where the other team had two 1AA(C). Thought it was remarkable given how rarely I see Vindicators in the field. I felt a little bit sorry for the OpFor, especially when I realized that both were stock.....

[C E Dwyer]

Juodas Varnas, on 01 April 2016 - 08:39 AM, said:

Can we just go back to talking about how useless Vindicators are?

No no no we the community are thinking about the Vindi all wrong.

Think positive, its a real pilots mech, you don't want easy mode of the Timberwolf, you need a challenge, that sense of achievement, when you take down that Atlas or Direwolf, bask in the embarrassment of it's pilot.

Leg that Arctic Cheater, with your twin ppc poptart, then mock it with the singe small head laser, as you give it no mercy, and peal it piece by piece.

The Vindicator is a GREAT mech

your just doing it wrong.

Yes I am talking crap but i'm high from lack of sleep and just don't care

[Adamski]

I've solo'd an ACH in my VND-SIB before, he rage quit.

[El Bandito]

Adamski, on 01 April 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:

The Urbanmech is also known for being cheap and its a viable mech. (At least as viable as the KFX, ADR, SDR, etc)

No reason the Vindicator cant be made viable / better.

That's only cause PGI heavily broke the canon by allowing the Urbie to have 180 engine (3x its default value!). If not for that, the Urbie woulda been trash. Cheap yes, but trash.

[FupDup]

El Bandito, on 02 April 2016 - 03:50 AM, said:

That's only cause PGI heavily broke the canon by allowing the Urbie to have 180 engine (3x its default value!). If not for that, the Urbie woulda been trash. Cheap yes, but trash.

Don't talk about "canon" in regards to mech effectiveness or else you'll have to accept the Timber Wolf being superior to the majority of other heavies, or other mechs in any class.

When you use the canon argument you don't get to pick and choose which parts of it that you want.

[Bluttrunken]

#MakeVNDGreatAgain

[Damocles]

If only the model had kept the damn hips in line with its torso. Slimmer profile harder target.
but I guess the same could be said about the Cent and several others.

#savemebt

[Yosharian]

Adamski, on 02 April 2016 - 03:10 AM, said:

I've solo'd an ACH in my VND-SIB before, he rage quit.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to lose to a SIB in an ACH.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Rofl


Do you honestly think PGI is going to do squat about the vindy? It sucks and will always suck.

Edited by 80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie, 03 April 2016 - 08:10 PM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Adamski, on 02 April 2016 - 03:10 AM, said:

I've solo'd an ACH in my VND-SIB before, he rage quit.

Wow. Solo'd an ACH with a hardmode mech in the worst variant it has (I thought the 1X was bad, but I had no idea till I bought a SIB). Even if the ACH pilot is the worst pilot in MWO, on a bad day, that is still impressive lol.

I know, a brutal thing to say about the Vindi. I love Vindi's, don't get me wrong, but there is reality too. It's tough love for the chassis lol.