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[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 04 April 2016 - 09:51 AM, said:

The banshee is filthy in the assault class...so is the BLR and STK.

I lobbied for a Banshee-esque Clan assault with ECM and similar firepower with slightly worse mounts (rather, a lower amount of awesome hardpoints), I admit, but the masses denied me so...

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 April 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

I lobbied for a Banshee-esque Clan assault with ECM and similar firepower with slightly worse mounts (rather, a lower amount of awesome hardpoints), I admit, but the masses denied me so...

Gas don't go all Impy on us over the Kingfisher, it was the best of bad choices for the Assault omni mechs.... And I'm sorry that Russ did not see the value in it.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 04 April 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

Gas don't go all Impy on us over the Kingfisher, it was the best of bad choices for the Assault omni mechs.... And I'm sorry that Russ did not see the value in it.

I know, I know, I know.. I'm still holding on to the hope that they decide that a Clan assault with ECM WOULD sell.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 April 2016 - 09:58 AM, said:

I know, I know, I know.. I'm still holding on to the hope that they decide that a Clan assault with ECM WOULD sell.

It likely would, if for no other reason than the masses still go "ECM=GUD!", ECM is okay-ish, not worth deciding the value of a mech on, as it's strong against bad weapon systems, and no longer gives stealth to a lager area.

[Clanner Scum]

LastKhan, on 03 April 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

The old MekTek version isnt so pretty either.

I actually really liked the mektek Black Lanner. It was my favorite mech by them next to the Grizzly.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 April 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

I lobbied for a Banshee-esque Clan assault with ECM and similar firepower with slightly worse mounts (rather, a lower amount of awesome hardpoints), I admit, but the masses denied me so...

Well, the way I see it...since the IS now has 2 ECM heavy mechs, and an ECM assault mech, it should be about damn time clans got an ECM assault...

Kingfisher would have probably been decent. I would have expected something like B/B+ performance out of it...if only for laser puke alone.

Clanner Scum, on 04 April 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

I actually really liked the mektek Black Lanner. It was my favorite mech by them next to the Grizzly.

You must not have paid much attention to the amazingness that was their hellhound/conjurer redesign.

Edited by Gyrok, 04 April 2016 - 10:34 AM.

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Gyrok, on 04 April 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

You must not have paid much attention to the amazingness that was their hellhound/conjurer redesign.

Mektek did not redesign the Hellhound, that was Microsoft.

I also liked the BLanner by mektek, even if it suffered from the Mark II disease of having too tall of legs.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 04 April 2016 - 10:37 AM.

[pbiggz]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 April 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:

Mektek did not redesign the Hellhound, that was Microsoft.

I also liked the BLanner by mektek, even if it suffered from the Mark II disease of having too tall of legs.

David White hellhound is best hellhound.

[C E Dwyer]

I missed the part or I was spacing due to lack of sleep about Two mediums and Two heavies.

What's making me churn over things in my head is that the Viper is a sensible choice, and its much needed, and maybe another 45 toner. but purely from a meta view why wuould anyone take any other medium when there is the storm crow unless its a stormcrow type mech with JJ's and that's going to open a big can of worms, as the only way it could be balanced is hard lock the JJ's and that will cause such consternation.

Same with the Heavies, unless one is even more powerful than what's already in game why would any comp player bother with them.

So have we reached on the clan side of things what been in the IS side for over a year and more, are we buying clan mechs purely for looks now ?

[Gas Guzzler]

Cathy, on 04 April 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I missed the part or I was spacing due to lack of sleep about Two mediums and Two heavies.

What's making me churn over things in my head is that the Viper is a sensible choice, and its much needed, and maybe another 45 toner. but purely from a meta view why wuould anyone take any other medium when there is the storm crow unless its a stormcrow type mech with JJ's and that's going to open a big can of worms, as the only way it could be balanced is hard lock the JJ's and that will cause such consternation.

Same with the Heavies, unless one is even more powerful than what's already in game why would any comp player bother with them.

So have we reached on the clan side of things what been in the IS side for over a year and more, are we buying clan mechs purely for looks now ?

Well, there isn't a 40 tonner yet, so definitely a good call there, but really its all about roles, and to a lesser degree tonnage limits.

The Viper would fulfill a lights role in a match that doesn't allow lights, and can squeeze into group queue drop limits better than a Stormcrow... but variety is always nice either way.

On the heavy side, we could use a gun boat in the 75 and 70 ton range, especially the 70 ton range as the Summoner is a bit lacking in firepower, and assaults, we could definitely use more Clan assaults.

Lights... need a 20 tonner, whenever they figure out the speed thing, the Firemoth would be really fun, potentially more fun than the Locust.

[LastKhan]

Cathy, on 04 April 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I missed the part or I was spacing due to lack of sleep about Two mediums and Two heavies.

What's making me churn over things in my head is that the Viper is a sensible choice, and its much needed, and maybe another 45 toner. but purely from a meta view why wuould anyone take any other medium when there is the storm crow unless its a stormcrow type mech with JJ's and that's going to open a big can of worms, as the only way it could be balanced is hard lock the JJ's and that will cause such consternation.

Same with the Heavies, unless one is even more powerful than what's already in game why would any comp player bother with them.

So have we reached on the clan side of things what been in the IS side for over a year and more, are we buying clan mechs purely for looks now ?

Its all personal tastes really. Some will view mechs in a comp sense and some will do it for the tt nostalgia, and etc. I view them as eh more mechs to use. Most mechs will always do "one thing another does better" and i hate that and that shouldnt be the focal point.

Just on a personal opinion i think filling the gaps is good, but I think we are hitting the point where new mechs arent really adding anything if there is a lack of gaming substance.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 April 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

potentially more fun than the Locust.

The Locust IIC isn't 20 tons anyway, so it won't ever fill that slot

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 April 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

The Locust IIC isn't 20 tons anyway, so it won't ever fill that slot

That's why the need the Piranha...

[Gyrok]

Cathy, on 04 April 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I missed the part or I was spacing due to lack of sleep about Two mediums and Two heavies.

What's making me churn over things in my head is that the Viper is a sensible choice, and its much needed, and maybe another 45 toner. but purely from a meta view why wuould anyone take any other medium when there is the storm crow unless its a stormcrow type mech with JJ's and that's going to open a big can of worms, as the only way it could be balanced is hard lock the JJ's and that will cause such consternation.

The reason some people are bitching over the viper, is that the huntsman is basically a 50T SCR with JJs and lots of pod space. It sacrifices a bit of speed (only 87 kph instead of 95-100kph), but it would have been something useful, and bring more variety...the Viper does none of that...and will not be used because of that.

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Same with the Heavies, unless one is even more powerful than what's already in game why would any comp player bother with them.

Most people running comp, typically bring IS heavies to be quite honest...I think the Night Gyr might change that, if only for this specific build: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...81633791af7822a

Which is theory crafted to show what would legitimately fit.

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So have we reached on the clan side of things what been in the IS side for over a year and more, are we buying clan mechs purely for looks now ?

No, it is done by Russ's whimsical fascination with whatever mech they chose. Had they been paying attention, the Night Gyr probably would have sold more than even the KDK pack.

[Metus regem]

Gyrok, on 04 April 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

The reason some people are bitching over the viper, is that the huntsman is basically a 50T SCR with JJs and lots of pod space. It sacrifices a bit of speed (only 87 kph instead of 95-100kph), but it would have been something useful, and bring more variety...the Viper does none of that...and will not be used because of that.

And that's what irritates me about the Dragonfly, it is going to be a mech that will get a bunch of QQ'ing about lack of pod space, be used just long enough to master, then be in the same dark and dusty part of the mech hanger with the Mist Lynx, kit Fox, Ice Ferret and Gargoyle. Something like the Coyotl (with a PGI thrid variant) would've been better, I mean she is a mini Ebon Jaguar with those hit boxes and weapon mounts. And before I hear the "It's out of production by 100 years!", so was the freaking Nova, but it's in the game!

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Gyrok, on 04 April 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

The reason some people are bitching over the viper, is that the huntsman is basically a 50T SCR with JJs and lots of pod space.

So just a Streak/SRM boat? Because that's all the SCrow really gets used for these days since the Hunchback IIC came around.

Metus regem, on 04 April 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

I mean she is a mini Ebon Jaguar with those hit boxes and weapon mounts.

Which means easy CT shots and would need the ability to mount 6 ERML to even be worth bothering with. Otherwise it is a poorer version of the Sad Cat.

[pbiggz]

Metus regem, on 04 April 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

And that's what irritates me about the Dragonfly, it is going to be a mech that will get a bunch of QQ'ing about lack of pod space, be used just long enough to master, then be in the same dark and dusty part of the mech hanger with the Mist Lynx, kit Fox, Ice Ferret and Gargoyle. Something like the Coyotl (with a PGI thrid variant) would've been better, I mean she is a mini Ebon Jaguar with those hit boxes and weapon mounts. And before I hear the "It's out of production by 100 years!", so was the freaking Nova, but it's in the game!

As I said a million times already despite people apparently taking offense, the Viper is a one trick pony. We didn't need a one trick pony.

Another clan mech is on the way that will do ONE THING. It might do that ONE THING ok, might even do it well, but because it does that ONE THING, its just more of the same. Most of the clan mechs are pigeon holed into specific roles, often those roles are useless. (note the gargoyle, an 80 ton 60 tonner). The clans needed a mech that could fill many roles, something that would have actually changed up the battlefield, thats why I fought so hard for the MK II, but even the blood asp, nova cat, night gyr, hellhound, and huntsman could have filled that gap. All either battlemechs or omnis with a liberal amount of pod space and a wide spread of hardpoints.

Instead we have another one trick pony, and some people here are stupid enough to celebrate it. Praise kerensky! This one trick pony will work we swear! We know the last ones didn't really work but this one will! Honest!

Edited by pbiggz, 04 April 2016 - 11:55 AM.

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LastKhan, on 04 April 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

Its all personal tastes really. Some will view mechs in a comp sense and some will do it for the tt nostalgia, and etc. I view them as eh more mechs to use. Most mechs will always do "one thing another does better" and i hate that and that shouldnt be the focal point.

Just on a personal opinion i think filling the gaps is good, but I think we are hitting the point where new mechs arent really adding anything if there is a lack of gaming substance.

There is really not a whole lot that any Mech CAN add to the game. It is all pretty much just more of the same with a different skin. If you start adding more powerful Mechs then you make everything that has come before obsolete and unusable. New Tech can add to the game but there you run the same risk that something is going to be too good and make everything else meh.

I do not feel that every Mech that is introduced needs to be Tier 1 or even 2. It is unreasonable to think that every piece of equipment in an army is balanced and viable. Sometimes you just have stuff because it is cheap and performs a function adequately. It sucks if your life depends on a piece of equipment that is not new, shiny and state of the art but in fact that is the way it normally is. You deal with it and adapt.

I tend to do the same thing in this game. I play Clan pretty much exclusively yet I do not own a Timber Wolf or a Stormcrow or an Artic Cheeta. Somehow I get more satisfaction from being successful in equipment that is not considered the "must have" best.

I will pre-order the Viper and I would buy the Black Lanner if it were introduced. The Viper will fill the role of a fast light for me with superior firepower. Or in other words, it will be my Clan Cicada.Other than that, I have been looking at the Mad Dog for a while but i want to wait until the rescale goes live and also look for a decent sale.

Edited by Rampage, 04 April 2016 - 12:03 PM.

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pbiggz, on 04 April 2016 - 11:54 AM, said:

As I said a million times already despite people apparently taking offense, the Viper is a one trick pony.

Wait, and the Cheetah isn't?
Or how about the Black Knight?

Keeping in mind both are top tier.

[LastKhan]

pbiggz, on 04 April 2016 - 11:54 AM, said:

As I said a million times already despite people apparently taking offense, the Viper is a one trick pony. We didn't need a one trick pony.

Another clan mech is on the way that will do ONE THING. It might do that ONE THING ok, might even do it well, but because it does that ONE THING, its just more of the same. Most of the clan mechs are pigeon holed into specific roles, often those roles are useless. (note the gargoyle, an 80 ton 60 tonner). The clans needed a mech that could fill many roles, something that would have actually changed up the battlefield, thats why I fought so hard for the MK II, but even the blood asp, nova cat, night gyr, hellhound, and huntsman could have filled that gap. All either battlemechs or omnis with a liberal amount of pod space and a wide spread of hardpoints.

Instead we have another one trick pony, and some people here are stupid enough to celebrate it. Praise kerensky! This one trick pony will work we swear! We know the last ones didn't really work but this one will! Honest!

the crab and BK are "one trick ponys" and? they do semi well since they seemed to be a more weapon focused kinds of mechs. Having diffrent weapon set doesnt necessary mean it'll do well all the time. As to the Viper yea 8tons of pod space isnt so great, but i think it'll excel in maybe mass pulse lasers and light to light medium killing.

Edited by LastKhan, 04 April 2016 - 12:11 PM.