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[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 April 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

Looks about Awesome height.

No, above the actual waste line cannons.

Not at or below the actual waste line.

The WHK should have very high arms, and yet it is a knuckle dragger...

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 April 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

Looks about Awesome height.

I look at that, and I can't help but think of this:

[wanderer]

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K2s traditionally packed 2x anti infantry MG.... how'd that translate to MWO?

Great, since they can actually pack those ballistic hardpoints with the biggest guns in the class if desired.

The base Vulcan at 40T really can only get away with one, meaning multiple ballistic hardpoints are MG's or nothin...which puts it at somewhat of a disadvantage. Maybe dual AC/2's, but that's about it. It's not that you can't modify it into something better, just a lack of anything worth putting in multiple ballistic points when you're too light to really take advantage.

[Metus regem]

wanderer, on 11 April 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Great, since they can actually pack those ballistic hardpoints with the biggest guns in the class if desired.

The base Vulcan at 40T really can only get away with one, meaning multiple ballistic hardpoints are MG's or nothin...which puts it at somewhat of a disadvantage. Maybe dual AC/2's, but that's about it. It's not that you can't modify it into something better, just a lack of anything worth putting in multiple ballistic points when you're too light to really take advantage.

Still enough room on an Endo chassis with a 200XL to do an AC/10 with 4t ammo, 4Mlas and maximum standard armour.... It's a Battle mech so it will get hard point inflation.

[Bishop Steiner]

wanderer, on 11 April 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Great, since they can actually pack those ballistic hardpoints with the biggest guns in the class if desired.

The base Vulcan at 40T really can only get away with one, meaning multiple ballistic hardpoints are MG's or nothin...which puts it at somewhat of a disadvantage. Maybe dual AC/2's, but that's about it. It's not that you can't modify it into something better, just a lack of anything worth putting in multiple ballistic points when you're too light to really take advantage.

The point was that "anti infantry" means absolutely nothing. On a fast 40 tonner a single UAC5 and ac10 with lasers is fine.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 April 2016 - 02:44 PM.

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 April 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

The point was that "anti infantry" means absolutely nothing. On a fast 40 tonner a single UAC5 and ac10 with lasers is fine.

Seeing as you always claim you're anti-meta, anti-infantry mech is not fine for the majority of pugs and tryhards that play this game and regularly visit the meta mechs sites.

[Kei Nogareru]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 02:48 PM, said:

Seeing as you always claim you're anti-meta, anti-infantry mech is not fine for the majority of pugs and tryhards that play this game and regularly visit the meta mechs sites.

Firestarter would like to have a word with you...

[Pariah Devalis]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 02:48 PM, said:

Seeing as you always claim you're anti-meta, anti-infantry mech is not fine for the majority of pugs and tryhards that play this game and regularly visit the meta mechs sites.

Firestarter was meta for a very long time. Firestarter is anti-infantry.

Kei Nogareru, on 11 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Firestarter would like to have a word with you...

Jinx!

[TheArisen]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 02:48 PM, said:

Seeing as you always claim you're anti-meta, anti-infantry mech is not fine for the majority of pugs and tryhards that play this game and regularly visit the meta mechs sites.

Ummm, what?

[Y E O N N E]

Pariah Devalis, on 11 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Firestarter was meta for a very long time. Firestarter is anti-infantry.

Firestarter is still meta. Difference is, it's not the only desirable Light any more; it shares that space with the Oxide, Arctic Cheetah, and Jenner IIC.

[SmoothCriminal]

Won't the night gyr basically invalidate the novacat before its even released? According to the internet they have the same pod space, however the night gyr has am extra heatsink in the Engine, more armour and Hover jets...?

Apoligies not a TT man so let me know if I've overlooked something!

Edit: I guess with lots of space the novacat can pack lots more DHS however!

Edited by SmoothCriminal, 11 April 2016 - 03:06 PM.

[Imperius]

TheArisen, on 11 April 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

Ummm, what?

The sales will do the talking.

[Y E O N N E]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 03:06 PM, said:

The sales will do the talking.

But you have no concrete idea how well any 'Mech released to date has sold.

[Kei Nogareru]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 03:06 PM, said:

The sales will do the talking.

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

Sales are what determin what's junk or not. Too bad we don't get to see sales nunmbers.

[Pariah Devalis]

SmoothCriminal, on 11 April 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

Won't the night gyr basically invalidate the novacat before its even released? According to the internet they have the same pod space, however the night gyr has am extra heatsink in the Engine, more armour and Hover jets...?

Apoligies not a TT man so let me know if I've overlooked something!

Edit: I guess with lots of space the novacat can pack lots more DHS however!

No, and for a simple reason: crit slots.

Night Gyr comes with 4 JJ, Endo, Ferro, and an XL. Nova Cat just has an XL and Endo. So it has a lot, a LOT more free internal room for double heat sinks. Without that room, the Night Gyr can never hope to be as good an energy boat as the Nova Cat. However, the Night Gyr DOES come with way more ballistic hardpoints than the Nova Cat, and as ballistics are cool, it doesn't need as much free internal space to support them. Ergo, the Gyr will be the better ballistic platform.

Missile wise, it's about a wash.

Edit:

I didn't see your edit.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 11 April 2016 - 03:11 PM.

[Imperius]

Kei Nogareru, on 11 April 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:

Not sure what you're trying to imply there other than I said that already.

Yeonne Greene, on 11 April 2016 - 03:06 PM, said:

But you have no concrete idea how well any 'Mech released to date has sold.

If you observe the talk about the mech that was just announced you'll be able to tell right away the good from the bad. I think like 4 people did custom paints for the Viper and the thread for making load-outs pretty much ened with 2 ok builds that you can use. You see the comments "waiting for C-bill release" etc, sure it's not 100% accurate but it does give a good enough of an idea of what mech is going to tank in sales. Then you observe the MWOtwitter spam about buying the mech... the more it pops up the bigger the tale.

Edited by Imperius, 11 April 2016 - 03:16 PM.

[SmoothCriminal]

Makes sense Pariah, cheers. Been in this franchise since mw3/4 so my heart is with the novacat (as it still is with the Mad Dog) but in this min/max world we live in... Good to know neither will be "DoA" like my unfortunate vulture...

[Pariah Devalis]

SmoothCriminal, on 11 April 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

Makes sense Pariah, cheers. Been in this franchise since mw3/4 so my heart is with the novacat (as it still is with the Mad Dog) but in this min/max world we live in... Good to know neither will be "DoA" like my unfortunate vulture...

If LRMs (both IS and Clan) were worth taking, it wouldn't be so bad at all. They really need a totally new approach on handling LRMs. I'm personally a fan of removing lock ons unless the enemy mech is NARCed or has an active TAG on it, and having LRMs attempt to guide towards the center of the reticule when fired. That way as a direct fire weapon system they are able to be semi-aimed, while retaining the ability to indirectly fire so long as you have a spotter.

[Y E O N N E]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

If you observe the talk about the mech that was just announced you'll be able to tell right away the good from the bad. I think like 4 people did custom pain for the Viper and the thread for making load-outs pretty much ened with 2 ok builds that you can use. You see the comments "waiting for C-bill release" etc, sure it's not 100% accurate but it does give a good enough of an idea of what mech is going to tank in sales. Then you observe the MWOtwitter spam about buying the mech... the more it pops up the bigger the tale.

But you aren't going to sway the minds you want to sway by pointing at what amounts to hearsay as your evidence. Those people will want numbers, numbers which you are unable to provide.

I mean, if we want to point to hearsay as evidence, then a lot of sales will come from the competitive units because they are looking for a new edge. Even when 'Mechs are out on C-bills, they get new recruits who don't have a particular 'Mech, who then go out and buy it because it is way more efficient to spend money on the 'Mechs use your time to earn more money.

Competitive units aren't actually all that chatty outside of Reddit.

[TheArisen]

Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

Not sure what you're trying to imply there other than I said that already.


If you observe the talk about the mech that was just announced you'll be able to tell right away the good from the bad. I think like 4 people did custom paints for the Viper and the thread for making load-outs pretty much ened with 2 ok builds that you can use. You see the comments "waiting for C-bill release" etc, sure it's not 100% accurate but it does give a good enough of an idea of what mech is going to tank in sales. Then you observe the MWOtwitter spam about buying the mech... the more it pops up the bigger the tale.

So you think that just because a mech's lore fluff has it in an "anti infantry" role it'll not sell well? Maybe youve forgotten but we can customize mechs to some degree. Meta peeps will look at hard points & hitboxes.