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[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Ok so who is supposed to buy these mech and what good reason can you give the buyers they should be in the game other than they were never in any other game. The unseens I understood, but I think that got people too excited to add a bunch of bad mechs to the game that never got the spotlight. If that is the case then how about we add the Omega... why do you think the past trumps the future... implying we can't go back in time just like we did for the unseens and the Viper.

"who is supposed to buy these mechs" uhhhh people who do like those mechs? going back in time?.. you mean grabbing mechs from the pool that is up to Russ's standards? Why do you act like mechs that were made in the past were just dropped off the face of the earth?

Edited by LastKhan, 10 April 2016 - 07:55 PM.

[Imperius]

LastKhan, on 10 April 2016 - 07:25 PM, said:

"who is supposed to buy these mechs" uhhhh people who do like those mechs? going back in time?.. you mean grabbing mechs from the pool that is up to Russ's standards. Why do you act like mechs that were made in the past were just dropped off the face of the earth?

Why do you think mechs from the future don't exist?

Like I said give a reason for them... not... Oh they haven't had their face in the limelight... Pffffft

Edited by Imperius, 10 April 2016 - 07:45 PM.

[CK16]

IMO it is a gamble to release a lot of these lesser seen mechs...Just a personal opinion cause sorry but many of those less seen ones are not often seen in games for reasons, they are kinda boring and rather not good in game. I mean can PGI really handle to just dig up every old mech un important (to some) for sake of adding it? I do not think so really.

That being say I think the Night Gyr will sell well and we still have a few worthy chassis that need to be added, just not EVERY rare chassis or even a majority.

[pbiggz]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 10 April 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

I don't really see the need for it, plenty of fine looking mechs already existing, last thing we need is the mektek disease spreading to this game.

Why is mektek a disease? They kept mechwarrior at least somewhat relevant for the better part of a decade.

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

Why do you think mechs from the future don't exist?

Like I said give a reason for them not... Oh they haven't had their face in the limelight... Pffffft

First part..


second; Its not up to me or anyone to give you a reason. PGI pick them, PGI sells them. No one is the arbiter of picking mechs but them.

[Imperius]

CK16, on 10 April 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

IMO it is a gamble to release a lot of these lesser seen mechs...Just a personal opinion cause sorry but many of those less seen ones are not often seen in games for reasons, they are kinda boring and rather not good in game. I mean can PGI really handle to just dig up every old mech un important (to some) for sake of adding it? I do not think so really.

That being say I think the Night Gyr will sell well and we still have a few worthy chassis that need to be added, just not EVERY rare chassis or even a majority.

Those chassis you're claiming need to be added is subjective, again what does the Night Gyr bring to the table that the Timberwolf can't? After you answer that question, and here comes the important part, who is going to BUY that mech? Not wait for it to come out for c-bills. This is about selling mechs not just getting them in for the sake of getting them in.

This is a business not a museum.

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Ok so who is supposed to buy these mech and what good reason can you give the buyers they should be in the game other than they were never in any other game. The unseens I understood, but I think that got people too excited to add a bunch of bad mechs to the game that never got the spotlight. If that is the case then how about we add the Omega... why do you think the past trumps the future... implying we can't go back in time just like we did for the unseens and the Viper.

Believe it or not, not everyone worries about the same criteria. Some of those other mechs have nostalgia for people. Others might well be more viable than you choose to believe. Assassin and Vulcan both have some very interesting potential, for instance

[Imperius]

LastKhan, on 10 April 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

First part..


second; Its not up to me or anyone to give you a reason. PGI pick them, PGI sells them. No one is the arbiter of picking mechs but them.

Ok, then why are you so vocal about it? Honestly you seem to just be here for the sake of trying to argue.

[CK16]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Those chassis you're claiming need to be added is subjective, again what does the Night Gyr bring to the table that the Timberwolf can't? After you answer that question, and here comes the important part, who is going to BUY that mech? Not wait for it to come out for c-bills. This is about selling mechs not just getting them in for the sake of getting them in.

This is a business not a museum.

Night Gyr can carry far more Daka IIRC it is slightly slower more tonnage for ammo. Timber is the Swiss army knife, the Night Gyr is ummm a basic Leatherman? Both are flexible but each do better at certain things.

Night Gyr is a good mech. I am more concerned about the Linebacker and Blacklanner, cause yea the Nova Cat and Mad Cat Mk.II are far better options for the game and sales.

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

Why do you think mechs from the future don't exist?

Like I said give a reason for them... not... Oh they haven't had their face in the limelight... Pffffft

Because whether you like or not, future mechs don't fit the criteria set out by the guy running the show

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Believe it or not, not everyone worries about the same criteria. Some of those other mechs have nostalgia for people. Others might well be more viable than you choose to believe. Assassin and Vulcan both have some very interesting potential, for instance

How does a mech for a "video game" give someone nostalgia when it's never been in any of the games? Like I said I understood the unseen I think most if not all of them were cover art for a TRO.

Ok, the Vulcan is an anti-infantry mech. I'll stop right there. Do we have infantry? Nope... Ok then right now it has no place to be added to MWO without mega quirking it.

When single player comes out, and we get infantry, I guess it will finally have a place.

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Ok, then why are you so vocal about it? Honestly you seem to just be here for the sake of trying to argue.

Vocal about what? be specific. You digging for some like super weird reason that somehow mechs got into the game magically.. like you forgot how vidja games work. You asked "who would buy these" and i gave you a semi proper answer. Not like trying to argue its just how it usually works.

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

what does the Night Gyr bring to the table that the Timberwolf can't?

Sega does what NintenDONT!

Edited by LastKhan, 10 April 2016 - 08:09 PM.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Believe it or not, not everyone worries about the same criteria. Some of those other mechs have nostalgia for people. Others might well be more viable than you choose to believe. Assassin and Vulcan both have some very interesting potential, for instance

Assassin perhaps but the Vulcan was regarding even below the great White Elephant, aka: Banshee in TT.

To be honest, I don't recall EVER seeing anyone use a Vulcan. Both in campaigns, or in TT tournaments. Assassin yes, especially after the 2750 TRO.

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Because whether you like or not, future mechs don't fit the criteria set out by the guy running the show

The same guy who seems to flip flop on that criteria and give non-answers to both sides like a politician... If you stay in the past too long you become a part of it. Sales are telling the tale for me and I bet the Kodiak sold better than the Phoenix Hawk, Archer, and the Viper.

[Imperius]

LastKhan, on 10 April 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

Vocal about what? be specific. You digging for some like super weird reason that somehow mechs got into the game magically.. like you forgot how vidja games work? You asked "who would buy these" and i gave you a semi proper answer. Not like trying to argue its just how it usually works.

Sega does what NintenDONT!

Also, SEGA pretty much went out of business.

The guy said mechs from the past should be added because they haven't been in any game. Ok so if they are that unpopular how is PGI going to sell mechs that most people have no clue about and suck? They won't sell on nostalgia because they have none, they won't sell because they are not good mechs, so how is that good business for PGI?

Edited by Imperius, 10 April 2016 - 08:12 PM.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:

The same guy who seems to flip flop on that criteria and give non-answers to both sides like a politician... If you stay in the past too long you become a part of it. Sales are telling the tale for me and I bet the Kodiak sold better than the Phoenix Hawk, Archer, and the Viper.

That's not surprising given the Kodiak has been the most anticipated Clan Assault since the Clans were announced. The Archer brings nothing new really, the Phoenix Hawk is nothing more than another medium laser vomit boat at it's core and the Viper is a Nova with an even easier to core CT basically since it shares the same geometry.

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 10 April 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

Assassin perhaps but the Vulcan was regarding even below the great White Elephant, aka: Banshee in TT.

To be honest, I don't recall EVER seeing anyone use a Vulcan. Both in campaigns, or in TT tournaments. Assassin yes, especially after the 2750 TRO.

TT value and MWO value not remotely the same. It's fast, jumpy and had a really skinny/gangly profile making it hard to hit, with good high torso weapons and decent session variety, and it's visually very interesting.

Mind you does thbat make it a surefire thing? No.

Very few mechs are. Here's the thing, we are at the saturation point that without a Tech Jump, we are going to pretty much see "more of the same". There is very little out there that hasn't been done. Thus, nostalgia, visually uniqueness and such are as good a reason to include a mech as any.

Meta viability alone ain't enough. Especially since Meta's shift (glacially, around here, but they do).

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 April 2016 - 08:29 PM.

[Imperius]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 10 April 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

That's not surprising given the Kodiak has been the most anticipated Clan Assault since the Clans were announced. The Archer brings nothing new really, the Phoenix Hawk is nothing more than another medium laser vomit boat at it's core and the Viper is a Nova with an even easier to core CT basically since it shares the same geometry.

Ok so then you see my point correct?

Mechs that are to be added to the game need to sell! Not come out and have everyone wait for the C-Bill ones to be released. Those lesser mechs can get added when the new revenue stream that is single player comes out. Till then they need strong sales for the engine upgrade.

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 08:10 PM, said:

Also, SEGA pretty much went out of business.

The guy said mechs from the past should be added because they haven't been in any game. Ok so if they are that unpopular how is PGI going to sell mechs that most people have no clue about and suck? They won't sell on nostalgia because they have none, they won't sell because they are not good mechs, so how is that good business for PGI?

Sega is still around just not as a console company. Mostly arcades and games.


Eh, curious buyers, collectors, and the nostalgic crowd will buy it. Suggesting that PGI are a-okay of selling said particular whatever mech. You, yourself claiming they "aren't good mechs" or "they have no nostalgia" is just an opinion and that being the case no one is forcing you to buy said mech. If sales do end up being on the low side then PGI will just have to discuss that amongst themselves, they dont certainly need you as their bank account body guard.

Edited by LastKhan, 10 April 2016 - 08:26 PM.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Part of why PGI's sales fail is because they do the opposite of what Cryptic does with Star Trek Online. They offer up these mediocre incentives but hide what everyone's truly interested in. Quirks and the like.

STO discloses all the bells and whistles because that's their business strategy. It's also why so many have to immediately go and buy all said goodies rather than spend in game resources to get the stuff without spending a dime. It works, especially on their big ship packs.

It doesn't work so well in MWO because there's really no incentive for most people to get something, and they know quirks will get revamped several times anyway. As always, PGI is their own worst enemy and ridiculously short sighted. But hey, we have CW mk3 coming. Maybe the third time's the charm and people will buy more mech packs!