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[GreenHell]

lol that last one looks like a 40t mech with 80t weapon arms strapped on. XD LOVE IT

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 June 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

and that crotch cannon might make it Forum inappropriate.....

Perhaps, but at least people would have the "penetrator".

PPC could even carry special meaning on this mech.

Bishop Steiner, on 13 June 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

and since I decided to go a different direction....here's my MAD based fresh design.

It looks very nice! (Maelstrom or Dragonfire?)

Edited by TheArisen, 13 June 2016 - 07:34 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 13 June 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

Perhaps, but at least people would have the "penetrator".

PPC could even carry special meaning on this mech.




It looks very nice! (Maelstrom or Dragonfire?)

Started as Dragonfire.... Now it's something new

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 June 2016 - 08:09 PM, said:

Started as Dragonfire.... Now it's something new

It looks good. Have you named it yet?

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 14 June 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

It looks good. Have you named it yet?

as a lighter Marauder derivative.... CRS-4U Corsair

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 June 2016 - 11:27 AM, said:

as a lighter Marauder derivative.... CRS-4U Corsair

Awesome. What's it's tonnage & loadout, etc?

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 14 June 2016 - 11:28 AM, said:

Awesome. What's it's tonnage & loadout, etc?

toying between 2 versions

65 tons, 4/6 movement with 4x Light PPC, and 3xMLs, 4xSRM4

and 50 tons with 6/9 movement, 4x Light PPC, 3x MLs and 4x JJ.

heavier version is probably just retreading MAD territory though, and a bit redundant. (Of course so are maelstrom and dragonfire ,honestly)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 June 2016 - 11:35 AM.

[cazidin]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 June 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

and since I decided to go a different direction....here's my MAD based fresh design.

Excuse me, Bishop. Have you or do you plan to draw a Black Knight? I'd like to see your take on one of my favorite IS mechs.

[Bishop Steiner]

cazidin, on 14 June 2016 - 02:04 PM, said:

Excuse me, Bishop. Have you or do you plan to draw a Black Knight? I'd like to see your take on one of my favorite IS mechs.

mine looks very dated compared to the one Alex delivered.

[cazidin]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 June 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

mine looks very dated compared to the one Alex delivered.

Dated? How about we call it a classic look and I still would like to see it.

[Bishop Steiner]

cazidin, on 14 June 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

Dated? How about we call it a classic look and I still would like to see it.

though I prefer my TRO correct one

[cazidin]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 June 2016 - 04:22 PM, said:

though I prefer my TRO correct one

#Want.

The helmet reminds me of the Brotherhood of Steel from the old Fallout games. If I had anything to criticize, it'd be the axe. Should've gone with a sword and literal shield arm, IMO.

Edited by cazidin, 14 June 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

cazidin, on 14 June 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:

#Want.

The helmet reminds me of the Brotherhood of Steel from the old Fallout games. If I had anything to criticize, it'd be the axe. Should've gone with a sword and literal shield arm, IMO.

Swords are (IMO) one of the biggest fails in Battletech (as they would be essentially useless). And something I despise, heartily. In real medieval warfare, a Knight facing another heavily armored opponent with intent to kill would use and axe, mace or military pick over a sword, IRL anyhow. The traditional "broad sword" was most effective against lightly armored opponents or against other noblemen you wanted alive for ransom.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 June 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Swords are (IMO) one of the biggest fails in Battletech (as they would be essentially useless). And something I despise, heartily. In real medieval warfare, a Knight facing another heavily armored opponent with intent to kill would use and axe, mace or military pick over a sword, IRL anyhow. The traditional "broad sword" was most effective against lightly armored opponents or against other noblemen you wanted alive for ransom.

Quite true, swords have been heavily romanticized. Claymores could be used against armor because they're all about cutting with weight & not sharpness.

But for a mech, an axe or mace/hammer would work best.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 14 June 2016 - 04:58 PM, said:

Quite true, swords have been heavily romanticized. Claymores could be used against armor because they're all about cutting with weight & not sharpness.

But for a mech, an axe or mace/hammer would work best.

and even then they were used most often to take the legs out on a horse, and dispatch a stunned rider. They weren't a terribly dexterous weapon. Hand to hand the other choices were usually all faster and more effective. Dungeons and Dragons syndrome, I guess.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 June 2016 - 05:05 PM, said:

and even then they were used most often to take the legs out on a horse, and dispatch a stunned rider. They weren't a terribly dexterous weapon. Hand to hand the other choices were usually all faster and more effective. Dungeons and Dragons syndrome, I guess.

Yeah but heavily armored knights, etc wouldn't be very quick themselves.

How about a good ol flail? I would mention a morning star but I imagine the blades would be relatively fragile.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 14 June 2016 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yeah but heavily armored knights, etc wouldn't be very quick themselves.

How about a good ol flail? I would mention a morning star but I imagine the blades would be relatively fragile.

Ball and chain type flails were relatively effective, but slow to recover and wind up, compared to a mace. Rod flails were better against softer/flexible armor (could cause significant hard to the body underneath mail, for instance). And actually, as a heavy armor fighter for the SCA, (who refused to wear pickle buckets and football visors like most of the modern punks in the SCA do) I can say the lack of dexterity of a warrior in heavy plate was largely overstated, unless one refers specifically to the heavy plate designed for jousting, which was at various times in it's design very over done and such. But your actual Gothic plate was surprisingly mobile, well balanced and easy to move in. In fact I would often take long naps in mine between events (because it could take a while to get in and out). It was also a lot less fatiguing than mail, or coats of plates as the armor distributed it's weight well across the whole body.

Lovely stuff, gothic plate.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 June 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

Ball and chain type flails were relatively effective, but slow to recover and wind up, compared to a mace. Rod flails were better against softer/flexible armor (could cause significant hard to the body underneath mail, for instance). And actually, as a heavy armor fighter for the SCA, (who refused to wear pickle buckets and football visors like most of the modern punks in the SCA do) I can say the lack of dexterity of a warrior in heavy plate was largely overstated, unless one refers specifically to the heavy plate designed for jousting, which was at various times in it's design very over done and such. But your actual Gothic plate was surprisingly mobile, well balanced and easy to move in. In fact I would often take long naps in mine between events (because it could take a while to get in and out). It was also a lot less fatiguing than mail, or coats of plates as the armor distributed it's weight well across the whole body.

Lovely stuff, gothic plate.

Hmm I recall the King of Germany fell into a river during the crusades & drowned because his armor was so heavy. It wasn't a deep river, he just couldn't get up.

But talking about your rendition of the BK, my favorite part is the "helmet".

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 14 June 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

Hmm I recall the King of Germany fell into a river during the crusades & drowned because his armor was so heavy. It wasn't a deep river, he just couldn't get up.

But talking about your rendition of the BK, my favorite part is the "helmet".

1) Never said you could swim in plate armour
2) Frederick likely died of a heart attack which caused him to fall into the river in the first place. (though enough conflicting accounts, could also have been exertion induced after he fell in, etc)
3) The armour worn in the Third Crusade was usually a very heavy coat of mail, with mail leggings worn like hip waders under the coat, with richer warriors sometimes wearing a brigantine coat of plates over it for better protection against arrows. All total actually much heavier than a suit of gothic plate.

*nerdalert*

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 June 2016 - 06:11 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

and now I'm toying with a 340 kph (30 hex) light scout MWDA era quad mech code name: Cheetah