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[TheArisen]

Alienized, on 16 July 2016 - 11:48 PM, said:

while i was reading through some sarna articles... it says production year 2767.
also, one of my favourite mechs, the cestus, was build 2766 and has 3 variants.
one mech i really would love to see is the devastator... production year 3048

The Cestus is an interesting mech that could technically be available in the current timeline because ComStar had some pre-clan invasion according to the MUL I linked in the OP.

The thing that needs to be understood is that mechs went extinct or were secreted away by ComStar, etc during the Succession wars. That means the production date isn't the primary decider on a mechs availability. For example the Nightstar doesn't go back into production until 3057 & was thought to be extinct before that, which it was outside of CS.

As far as the Devastator goes, the Nightstar would be superior. A comparison of the two could be fun though.

[Alienized]

TheArisen, on 17 July 2016 - 02:21 AM, said:

The Cestus is an interesting mech that could technically be available in the current timeline because ComStar had some pre-clan invasion according to the MUL I linked in the OP.

The thing that needs to be understood is that mechs went extinct or were secreted away by ComStar, etc during the Succession wars. That means the production date isn't the primary decider on a mechs availability. For example the Nightstar doesn't go back into production until 3057 & was thought to be extinct before that, which it was outside of CS.

As far as the Devastator goes, the Nightstar would be superior. A comparison of the two could be fun though.

but they been produced ^..^ just because those ComStar creeps been hiding them doesnt mean we shouldnt have them. we dont have ComStar here, ya know, so it should not be a criteria and would open up many mechs.

yeah im quite sure the nightstar would be superior just because of its design but the devastator is just such an impressive machine and it can torso twist \o/
its just the pure meta from the get go with 2 gauss and 2 ppc's lol

also, TENSHI (yesyes, 3101 but damn, 5 light ppc's and a gauss? hilarious )

Edited by Alienized, 17 July 2016 - 02:30 AM.

[TheArisen]

Alienized, on 17 July 2016 - 02:29 AM, said:

but they been produced ^..^ just because those ComStar creeps been hiding them doesnt mean we shouldnt have them. we dont have ComStar here, ya know, so it should not be a criteria and would open up many mechs.

yeah im quite sure the nightstar would be superior just because of its design but the devastator is just such an impressive machine and it can torso twist \o/
its just the pure meta from the get go with 2 gauss and 2 ppc's lol

also, TENSHI (yesyes, 3101 but damn, 5 light ppc's and a gauss? hilarious )

I actually made that point in the OP. Since we had the battle of Tuk. Comstar's army was no longer a secret. IMO that means ComStar exclusive mechs should be in contention for next mech.

Your enthusiasm is good but let's stay on topic, fair enough?

[John Archer]

Great mech!

It's too bad that /if/ PGI implemented it, and folks spent their hard earned cash on it, that they would turn around and nerf it into oblivion later.

[TheArisen]

John Archer, on 17 July 2016 - 12:07 PM, said:

Great mech!

It's too bad that /if/ PGI implemented it, and folks spent their hard earned cash on it, that they would turn around and nerf it into oblivion later.

Well certain mechs are more resilient to nerfing, the Stalker for example, will always be good due to it's ability to spread DMG & it's cockpit height weapons. I believe the NSR would have a similar resilience as well.

Edited by TheArisen, 17 July 2016 - 03:54 PM.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Having finally sat down and mulled over the Nightstar... I love it, while I like the Cyclops I feel the Nightstar is more fitting for me (not that I won't enjoy the Cyclops, I will) if only because I want a nice ballistic toting assault mech, throw in one version can have jumpjets (at the loss of lower arm and hand actuators) for the IS. Throw in the Marauder is one of my favorite mechs and I am starting to really enjoy mechs with hand actuators due to TT made me love punching things the Nightstar is enticing.

But of course we need some weapons (that we really should get anyways) to support this version, at very least we know the engine cap would allow for 64.8kph due to the Davion version canonically goes that fast which with tweak would throw it up to just under 70kph which would make it a beast, a very sexy beast. I also like that one version of the artwork it practically has hooves.

Edited by Moonlight Grimoire, 20 July 2016 - 12:55 PM.

[TheArisen]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 20 July 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

Having finally sat down and mulled over the Nightstar... I love it, while I like the Cyclops I feel the Nightstar is more fitting for me (not that I won't enjoy the Cyclops, I will) if only because I want a nice ballistic toting assault mech, throw in one version can have jumpjets (at the loss of lower arm and hand actuators) for the IS. Throw in the Marauder is one of my favorite mechs and I am starting to really enjoy mechs with hand actuators due to TT made me love punching things the Nightstar is enticing.

But of course we need some weapons (that we really should get anyways) to support this version, at very least we know the engine cap would allow for 64.8kph due to the Davion version canonically goes that fast which with tweak would throw it up to just under 70kph which would make it a beast, a very sexy beast. I also like that one version of the artwork it practically has hooves.

Yes it is beautiful. I figure PGI can just swap the LBX20 & Uac20 for regular 20s & ammo without any issue.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

TheArisen, on 20 July 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

Yes it is beautiful. I figure PGI can just swap the LBX20 & Uac20 for regular 20s & ammo without any issue.

Probably, since without hands and lower arm actuators the king crab can fit the AC20 it makes it work out decently. Looking at the numbers it would be easy to swap them out, get a ton back from losing the Ultra 20 which should just go into another ton of ammo. Though, looking at megameklab the 9SS in MWO runs into a few hitches due to it has leg mounted weapons, I can see one MPL going up into the RT since the LB20 can't work due to not in game (clans were new weapons so IDK how they can't add counter part weapons) due to the LB20 requires crit splitting (though we have that auto happen with endo and ferro). No space for the other MPL to slide up into the LT as that is full, unless you drop case from the LT and dump the ammo into the legs. Eh, guess that works. And yes the 9SS I want due to 95 ton JJ heavy ballistic mech makes me smile. This would fit the role that the King Crab just falls short of in my book.

[TheArisen]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 20 July 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

Probably, since without hands and lower arm actuators the king crab can fit the AC20 it makes it work out decently. Looking at the numbers it would be easy to swap them out, get a ton back from losing the Ultra 20 which should just go into another ton of ammo. Though, looking at megameklab the 9SS in MWO runs into a few hitches due to it has leg mounted weapons, I can see one MPL going up into the RT since the LB20 can't work due to not in game (clans were new weapons so IDK how they can't add counter part weapons) due to the LB20 requires crit splitting (though we have that auto happen with endo and ferro). No space for the other MPL to slide up into the LT as that is full, unless you drop case from the LT and dump the ammo into the legs. Eh, guess that works. And yes the 9SS I want due to 95 ton JJ heavy ballistic mech makes me smile. This would fit the role that the King Crab just falls short of in my book.

I think the NSR would easily be better than the KC simply because of body shape. The KC doesn't spread DMG, it just soaks it in. The NSR has a skinnier frontal profile & large arms that stick out sideways, it'd almost certainly be able to spread DMG like a champ, or at least fairly well. The higher mounted arms also allow you to shoot what you can see. I would say though that because of how the JJ work the ideal weight for a jumping assault is 85t because their JJ are the same as the heavies.

[TheArisen]

So the Clans are getting the Mad IIC, maybe, hopefully we'll be getting an IS mech next...

[TheArisen]

The good news is we can get a rough idea of what a MWO Nightstar would look like.

MWO Marauder


MWO Marauder IIC


Obviously one of the main differences would be the arms and no protruding gun.

Edited by TheArisen, 04 August 2016 - 09:50 PM.

[GreenHell]

The larger IIC is stubbier and more "pod-like", so if the NSR stayed with the longer body style it would come out looking a bit different than the art that people have been making. Since it's an IS design I'd expect that sort of thing, but you never know what Alex might do with it. I just really hope it doesn't come out 'too' wide, like the EBJ's arms did.

If it came out looking more like the IIC, with bigger EBJ arms... I dunno man. I'm no good at photoshop, but if someone shoop'ed that together for us that would be great.

[FLG 01]

I agree the Nightstar's torso would likely be more torpedo-like, but then there are quite a lot possible renditions.

The MAD-IIC's announcement has some implications for the Nightstar, I think, as have the recent developements of MWO as a whole. The two main caveats are gone: Timeline? Does not matter much anymore. Not enough canonic variants? Does not matter at all.
Frankly I do not like these developments, however the doors for the Nightstar are wide open.

My favourite 5 variants and 1 hero:
- NSR-9J (canon)
- NSR-9FC (canon)
- NSR-9PP (non-canon, NSR-9SS adapted for MWO tech)
- NSR-10J (semi-canon, SW era downgrade based on 1st SW sourcebook reference)
- NSR-12J (non-canon, ComStar Clanbuster variant)
- Ultor (non-canon, WoBM Hero Mech)

I am not happy about non-canon variants (I'd defend the semi-canonic SW downgrade, though), but there was some thought put into them as evidenced by this thread.

Edited by FLG 01, 05 August 2016 - 05:14 PM.

[TheArisen]

GreenHell, on 05 August 2016 - 02:26 PM, said:

The larger IIC is stubbier and more "pod-like", so if the NSR stayed with the longer body style it would come out looking a bit different than the art that people have been making. Since it's an IS design I'd expect that sort of thing, but you never know what Alex might do with it. I just really hope it doesn't come out 'too' wide, like the EBJ's arms did.

If it came out looking more like the IIC, with bigger EBJ arms... I dunno man. I'm no good at photoshop, but if someone shoop'ed that together for us that would be great.

Well in my mind the NSR should have a sleek look. The IIC body but maybe a bit more elongated with the EBJ-ish arms would likely be just about perfect.

[TheArisen]

FLG 01, on 05 August 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

I agree the Nightstar's torso would likely be more torpedo-like, but then there are quite a lot possible renditions.

The MAD-IIC's announcement has some implications for the Nightstar, I think, as have the recent developements of MWO as a whole. The two main caveats are gone: Timeline? Does not matter much anymore. Not enough canonic variants? Does not matter at all.
Frankly I do not like these developments, however the doors for the Nightstar are wide open.

My favourite 5 variants and 1 hero:
- NSR-9J (canon)
- NSR-9FC (canon)
- NSR-9PP (non-canon, NSR-9SS adapted for MWO tech)
- NSR-10J (semi-canon, SW era downgrade based on 1st SW sourcebook reference)
- NSR-12J (non-canon, ComStar Clanbuster variant)
- Ultor (non-canon, WoBM Hero Mech)

I am not happy about non-canon variants (I'd defend the semi-canonic SW downgrade, though), but there was some thought put into them as evidenced by this thread.

Yeah it's a mixed bag for me as well. But in all fairness, PGI created 2 non cannon variants for the Enforcer & Mauler & a few others have 1 as well, excluding heroes that is.

[Ace Selin]

1st pic in google of NightStar ..

Edited by Ace Selin, 05 August 2016 - 11:47 PM.

[TheArisen]

Ace Selin, on 05 August 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

1st pic in google of NightStar ..

Haha yeah you have to type in "battle tech" or some such. Otherwise you get that relatively unimportant hero from the DC comicverse.

[GreenHell]

Ace Selin, on 05 August 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

1st pic in google of NightStar ..

Very lore friendly. Obviously she's Marik.

[Rakshasa]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 May 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Depends on how you define skin cancer? Surgery is Tuesday, couple more weeks for the biopsy results. Yay, that, I suppose.

...holy crap I completely missed that. Sorry Bishop, hope everything went okay and all is well. 3 months late, jeez. I'm quick on the uptake

[Bishop Steiner]

Rakshasa, on 07 August 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

...holy crap I completely missed that. Sorry Bishop, hope everything went okay and all is well. 3 months late, jeez. I'm quick on the uptake

eh, it's all good. Clean biopsy, no other cancers found, so aside from (yet another) scar to my collection.... *shrug* (Starting to think I should claim the RHCP song "Scar Tissue" as my personal theme.... but for now will stick with the Who's "Behind Blue Eyes".... even though mine are brown)