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[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Better make this mech have a top speed of 63 b/c it's OP
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9fc54c97fbddec0

But this is fine
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cc50065b7afcd29

Clan favoritism, power creep, and lack of care for your game at it's finest.

[Darian DelFord]

correct me if I am wrong, but does the Phract not have ballistic AND structure / armor quirks?

[Vxheous]

That standard engine yo.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 14 April 2016 - 05:49 PM.

[Chimera_]

Yeah, I know right. Plus, everyone knows that Ebon Jags are super tanky just like Phracts.

If only Ebon Jags were easy to pick apart and didn't have any structure quirks.

Oh wait...





Fyi, you're also comparing a near top-tier Clan mech with an obsoleted IS mech.

You can flip that and compare an Ice Ferret with a Blackjack. Suddenly, IS OP!!!!!

Edited by Chimera11, 14 April 2016 - 03:58 PM.

[Davers]

Really needs some armor redistribution.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 14 April 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

That standard engine yo

That's already the max engine.

XL doesn't make an engine faster, it just makes them weigh less.

[FupDup]

The Cataphract 4X is the victim of having a pathetically small engine in TT, and thus it inherits a tiny engine in MWO because PGI usually uses a formula to determine max engine from stock engine (with some deviations like the Urbie).

The Cauldron Born comes stock with a big engine, so it doesn't care about engine caps.

With that being said, I'd be okay with it if they boosted the Phract 4X's engine up to 280-300 to let it reach the "standard" heavy mech speed of at least ~70 kph (4/6 MP in TT terms).

[Davegt27]

I bought a Cataphract 4X because I love dakka but as soon as I saw how slow it was I sold it

Probably only had it for a day

This was last year before the quirks and the structure stuff

But even now it would be a hard buy it’s just toooo slow for a heavy

[Tristan Winter]

PGI made a lot of decisions in 2012/2013 that are still in play, for whatever reason.

CTF-4X engine cap, CPLT-K2 hardpoint reduction, CPLT-K2 torso twist nerf, number of module slots for a bunch of mechs, etc.

[Darian DelFord]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 14 April 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

That standard engine yo. You're in tier 4, might as well run LRM 60 on those 4 missile hardpoints

Actually no he is not

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 14 April 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

The Cataphract 4X is the victim of having a pathetically small engine in TT, and thus it inherits a tiny engine in MWO because PGI usually uses a formula to determine max engine from stock engine (with some deviations like the Urbie).

The Cauldron Born comes stock with a big engine, so it doesn't care about engine caps.

With that being said, I'd be okay with it if they boosted the Phract 4X's engine up to 280-300 to let it reach the "standard" heavy mech speed of at least ~70 kph (4/6 MP in TT terms).

I forgot which previously Unseen hero got this controversy.. but IIRC it was a 70 ton mech and it would've had a similar cap to the Cataphract-4X... and it got "twitty fixed".

Maybe someday the Cataphract-4X gets "twitty fixed".

Edited by Deathlike, 14 April 2016 - 04:10 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 14 April 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

I forgot which previously Unseen hero got this controversy.. but IIRC it was a 70 ton mech and it would've had a similar cap to the Cataphract-4X... and it got "twitty fixed".

Maybe someday the Cataphract-4X gets "twitty fixed".

Bounty Hunter

It's similarly speed gimped in TT, with the sub 250 stock engine
Whale speed stock

[UberStuka]

you could facepalm a little more if you threw in the Clan Gauss vs IS Gauss argument... just saying

[Mole]

UberStuka, on 14 April 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

you could facepalm a little more if you threw in the Clan Gauss vs IS Gauss argument... just saying

Is there a difference between Clan Gauss and IS Gauss? I honestly don't know. I have limited experience with Gauss Rifles and the only ones I've ever used were IS.

[LORD ORION]

Mole, on 14 April 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

Is there a difference between Clan Gauss and IS Gauss? I honestly don't know. I have limited experience with Gauss Rifles and the only ones I've ever used were IS.

LOL
IS 15 tons 7 slots
Clam 12 tons 6 slots

Edited by LORD ORION, 14 April 2016 - 04:46 PM.

[Mole]

LORD ORION, on 14 April 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

LOL
IS 15 tons 7 slots
Clam 12 tons 6 slots

Never paid attention before. If you can't tell, I don't like Gauss Rifles very much.

[Mcgral18]

Mole, on 14 April 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

Is there a difference between Clan Gauss and IS Gauss? I honestly don't know. I have limited experience with Gauss Rifles and the only ones I've ever used were IS.

100% functionally identical


Aside from being 3 tons lighter and 1 Crit smaller


So, better, simply put

Edited by Mcgral18, 14 April 2016 - 04:48 PM.

[Mystere]

The Atlas Overlord, on 14 April 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

Better make this mech have a top speed of 63 b/c it's OP
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9fc54c97fbddec0

But this is fine
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cc50065b7afcd29

Clan favoritism, power creep, and lack of care for your game at it's finest.

Generic robot shooter -- where every Mech and every weapon should be exactly the same -- here we come.

Or better yet, and for ****'s sake, play Hawken already. I'm sure they'll appreciate an increase in player count.

Edited by Mystere, 14 April 2016 - 04:55 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Additional Structure Center Torso+22
Additional Structure L/R Arm+11
Additional Structure L/R Torso+15
Additional Structure L/R Leg+15
Ballistic Weapon Cooldown10%
Ballistic Weapon Range15%
Ballistic Weapon Velocity20%
Turn Rate40%
Torso Yaw Speed45%

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Wintersdark, on 14 April 2016 - 05:15 PM, said:

Stuff that doesn't matter at all

38% faster, with better hit boxes, and higher hardpoints

That structure would matter, except 20 extra HP is a joke. You'll take that from your friendlies let alone from any of the half dozen 50 point laser alphas poking out every 4 seconds.

You're also forgetting the Jag actually has 5 less tons to workwith... and it's still better in every way.

UberStuka, on 14 April 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

you could facepalm a little more if you threw in the Clan Gauss vs IS Gauss argument... just saying

I was worried if I added that in I might collapse my own skull facepalming.

Edited by The Atlas Overlord, 14 April 2016 - 05:48 PM.