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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

dervishx5, on 16 April 2016 - 02:21 AM, said:

cant think of anything original, post the same response, mechwarrior buddah 101.

You had no point. I'm not going to argue the ideology between casual and tryhard players. It's like arguing about faith. You either believe or you don't.

you failed to read then, I had a post right up there

Just because you dont want to argue it doesnt make it not a point.

Also; you interject yourself INTO this argument THEN go all "I dont wanna argue it" lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 April 2016 - 02:30 AM.

[dervishx5]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 April 2016 - 02:29 AM, said:

you failed to read then, I had a post right up there

Just because you dont want to argue it doesnt make it not a point.

Also; you interject yourself INTO this argument THEN go all "I dont wanna argue it" lol

Fair enough. I just assume people want to improve themselves. My bad.

Edited by dervishx5, 16 April 2016 - 02:38 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

dervishx5, on 16 April 2016 - 02:31 AM, said:

Fair enough. I just assume people want to improve themselves. My bad.

Id rather just play the game as a game. Not get too hooked into it and be able to drop it when I get bored of it. Im not looking to be like one of the of timers used to be and take care of their precious kdr.

I just would LIKE the option of not being farmed by the non casuals. Hence why I stay the **** out of CW

[Yosharian]

I'll have you know I'm actually quite skilled.

[Richard Hazen]

You can be in a winning team and only doing 100 damage and your rating will go up, whilst you can be in a losing team do over 400 damage (in a light as well) and your rating will go down..

[Appogee]

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

Your psr will go up in any game you win.

Nope. If you score <100 Match Score in a win your PSR will not change.

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

On the other hand, if I lose and my psr stays equal, I've probably gotten at least 450 damage and at least 25.% more than anyone else on my team.

Nope. If your Match Score is >400 and your team lost your PSR will go up. 250-400 on a loss results in no change.

Here is a graphic I prepared for my Unit.



The one thing it doesn't show is that the amount of a PSR increase on a win is much higher than the amount of a PSR decrease on a loss.

That is why PSR has some of the characteristics of an XP bar. Even on a 50:50 win:loss ratio, PSR will generally go up.

Edited by Appogee, 16 April 2016 - 04:29 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Nope don't work, as a skill intication, just something else in M.W.O. that the Lead Developer of this game screwed up

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

I personally think it works well, for what its intended to do.

Its literally ment to seperate and protect the T4s and T5s from the T1s. This gives the T4s and T5s a much more enjoyable experience, as well as breathing space so they can grow in skill. Granted T1s can always make a smurf and troll T4 for a bit, but after a few games they hit T3. And after a couple days of playing, they are up to T2, where they cant harass the T5s.

I have played a lot of other competitive games, and I would have to say, that PGI has done a great job coding this PSR system, considering the low player count they have to work with.

If they had millions more players queing up, like DoTA2 or LoL, then maybe a rework would be needed, but with our current population, I am amazed they were able to make such a great system.

[C E Dwyer]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Just got 3 kills in my atlas and dropped to tier 4. Made me lol

I play bursts of mwo then go to other games then come back.

I'm actually quite skilled and get a few kills mostly every round.


Do tiers actually represent your skill?

lucky sod I'm far to close to T2 to be happy

[el piromaniaco]

Vanguard319, on 15 April 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

...., especially when the matchmaker is more likely to pair you up with scrubs who can't or won't work together.

That's what eleven other people on your team think too.
Okay, one should at least look at map/minimap, read the chat, listen to the voip.
Marking points on the map, writing in chat, saying tips, infos, strategies, etc. on voip would be good too.
And no one can read yut thoughts. And nothing you take for granted or common sense has to apply to any of your team mates too.
If you are at least aware of those things life is much easier (or at least it doesn't hurt that much)

Greetings

el piro

[H y d r o]

The skill gap between t2-t5 is probably narrower than all of t1, so it's fairly accurate for t2-t5. It is NOT a grind you do want to complete if you aren't a fantastic player. This is my alt, I avg 1.46 kills per match & W/L of 1.45, nearly into t2 with 221 matches total. I own a grand total of 1 module so far, lol.

T1 is about playing well by guessing what the enemy will do, trading well, and working as a team.

T2-T5 is about playing well by guessing what your team will do (or not do) and using them for fodder.

[DAYLEET]

Yosharian, on 16 April 2016 - 03:46 AM, said:

I'll have you know I'm actually quite skilled.

i get sKilled all the time too =)

Tiering separates the new from the old. Not as much as we would like but thats what its supposed to do. No one is allowed to ***** unless they try to lead in chat/voip.

[JigglyMoobs]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 April 2016 - 02:07 AM, said:

What am I supposed to learn from games where I get 35 damage again? Oh yes that I dont want to be in a tier with tier 1s

and I dont play this game enough to care about getting better that way. I play this like the shallow, light arcade shooter it is and always will be

So if I want to not care about the game and not be a tryhard, shouldnt I be allowed to not have to fight against ppl like that?

Without having to actually work at letting myself die enough to drop my tier (a tricky proposition being that suiciding and the like is bannable - assuming it still is that is) that is

You dont have to try hard. Just follow JigglyMoobs and do what he does, don't block him, and make sure he never gets shot in the back.

[JigglyMoobs]

Appogee, on 16 April 2016 - 04:23 AM, said:

Nope. If your Match Score is &gt;400 and your team lost your PSR will go up. 250-400 on a loss results in no change.

Here is a graphic I prepared for my Unit.

Notice i was talking about damage. Only half of your damage is applied to match score. Which is why for 400ish damage you are likely to have psr stay the same and I don't usually see a rising psr until I do damage into the 700s.

[JigglyMoobs]

el piromaniaco, on 16 April 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

That's what eleven other people on your team think too.
Okay, one should at least look at map/minimap, read the chat, listen to the voip.
Marking points on the map, writing in chat, saying tips, infos, strategies, etc. on voip would be good too.
And no one can read yut thoughts. And nothing you take for granted or common sense has to apply to any of your team mates too.
If you are at least aware of those things life is much easier (or at least it doesn't hurt that much)

Greetings

el piro

Yeah, I find that talking on VoIP is the single biggest contributed to winning. It seems to be worth at least 200 pts extra damage on my part.

According to the stats page my total w/l is about 1.6 to 1. But I'd estimate that using VoIP it rises to about 2 to 1 and not it drops to between 1 to 1 to 1.25 to 1.

Also, in VoIP games I tend to do less damage and less kills per game even though I win more and die less.

Best strategy on VoIP for me seems to be not telling team what to do but instead describing to them exactly what the enemy is doing with as much detail as possible and then asking them what they want to do.

If I want them to do something best way seems to be to tell team what I'm doing, what Im positioning myself to do for them and how they can take advantage of it.

Edited by JigglyMoobs, 16 April 2016 - 01:54 PM.

[V O L T R O N]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Do tiers actually represent your skill?

All tier 1 players arent skilled, but all very skilled players are tier 1, unless they just started playing and havent had the time to level up.

FACTS

[Johnny Z]

V O L T R O N, on 16 April 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

All tier 1 players arent skilled, but all very skilled players are tier 1, unless they just started playing and havent had the time to level up.

FACTS

Maybe true.

Some say that its an experience bar and of course it doesn't work like that. Or that its about number of matches played and it doesn't work that either. But the fact is experience and number of matches played does = skill. A few hundred matches later a players is going to be way better than when he first started and so on.

I just get bothered when some try and simplify the PSR saying its nothing but an exp bar like in other games, when it isn't.

[Johnny Z]

dervishx5, on 15 April 2016 - 11:45 PM, said:

VALIDATE ME SEN-PGI!

Who cares what Tier you are. You should rate your skill based on how you fare against the best. And we all know who the best is.

Johnny Z.

Hey I wish and sometimes I can do really good like anyone else. Also really badly. But playing every match to do as good a possible since closed beta gives an advantage.

[Johnny Z]

dervishx5, on 16 April 2016 - 02:01 AM, said:

Playing against people better than you is how you learn to get better.

Its one way yep.

This may sound like "mr know it all" which I do sometimes. But anyway its called "playing up". Its a well known fact that the best players on the field will positively effect every other player on the field. Basically raising the performance of every player. I guess it would work in video games to. But it is by no means the only way players get better.

If anyone was on the field with this guy, a player wouldn't think twice about making a competent pass or play. Or running as best as the player can possibly.





Its also called pedigree in sports.

Edited by Johnny Z, 16 April 2016 - 05:57 PM.