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[Gyrok]

Mavairo, on 23 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Pulse weapon + streak = dead oxide, every time.
Oxides aren't very durable (It's a freakin Jenner...it's a Running CT with legs and missiles taped onto it). They aren't particularly fast.

The only thing they do particularly well is dumping SRMs into the back of mechs bigger than they are. And with the way SRMs spread, they aren't as effective against smaller targets as they are bigger ones.

140 kph is not particularly fast?

35 alpha is not high for a light mech?

SRM spread quirks and the already tightly packed SRM4s are not basically pinpoint?

Is that why comp light players avoid a 1v1 with an oxide in any mech not named oxide?

[DrxAbstract]

Gyrok, on 23 April 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Last response:

I am at a disadvantage, I am using logic and facts to battle bias and ignorance.

Clearly...I cannot argue with ignorance...meaning I will never show you that the truth is not what you think it is.

Only thing you rekt is a chance for you to realize that you are simply a "mother hen protecting a chick" with the oxide. No matter what the reality is...you will never see the oxide as being OP.

EDIT: As for Darian, just FYI Darian, I blocked you 4 posts ago. I am done with your stupidity altogether. DrxAbstract here is on the express lane to your same location as well.

Logic and facts... Which would be... what? You've made several claims that facts do not support, several allegations actual combat has proven false, repeatedly cited hypothetical, misconstrued performance characteristics the weapons themselves are incapable of and with comparisons like Laser Vomit TBR vs. Oxide, your argument is entirely absent of logic or reasoning.

"Bias and Ignorance" is all you've got, neither of which sticks.

Comp players are particularly notable for coordination as team. Very few of them are any good/better than anyone else in 1v1 Fights, which is also the same backasswards 'logic' people like you use to validate and elevate their opinions' importance.

Get rekt, Gyrok.

P.S.
The Oxide doesnt have SRM Spread Quirks.

The 30 Ton ACH has a 36 Damage Alpha.

Get Rekt harder.

[DrxAbstract]

Darian DelFord, on 23 April 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

Its alright Abstract,

Gyrok like always is completely avoiding the fact that I posted 7 video's that show and prove I am not a "crutch" pilot who "needs" an OXIDE to be good.

I learned with him many threads ago, that he has no proof for his "personal opinion" and when proof is made against him, he just ignores it and moves on to the next poster he can heckle.

I mean I just asked for him to post 1 video of an OXIDE face tanking 2 assaults and winning. In fact I have made that request several times in all theses OXIDE threads. Not one video has been posted.

But MANY have been posted that show assaults have no idea how to fight a light and they strip armor for whatever reason.

I've been called a hacker, cheater, laggy (lol 45 ping) scrub crutcher, meta hound, etc. on numerous occasions. I mean I have no intention of surviving of running through a 7 pack of enemy heavies, assaults and lights with the sole purpose of squirreling as long as I can... But it's my fault I lived after running around between them for a solid minute and escaped once my team came over the hill... In a Locust.

His mindset is just disappointing. Moreso when he's so convinced of it he intentionally ignores facts and actualities just to hold onto it.

Fortunately for me, my Mech Bays are filled with crutches for this limp here - Which I developed from breaking my foot off in people like Gyrok's a**es.

[ColourfulConfetti]

The salt is real, it's an srm mech that needs to get within 300 meters to actually do something, it's a LIGHT mech that needs to get close to actually do damage, damage that is significantly spread at the 200-300 m range of all things considered. Think about that for a moment. The Cheetah also has to get close, but it has much better hitboxes, ecm and it's more generally more surgical than srms. The oxide in comparison has to get a fair bit closer than the cheetah to ensure that the majority of it's volley hits the same component.

I'm shocked at how offended everybody is that a non laser light has the potential to be competitive, lol.

Edited by PalmaRoma, 23 April 2016 - 03:45 PM.

[Darian DelFord]

Gyrok, on 23 April 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

EDIT: As for Darian, just FYI Darian, I blocked you 4 posts ago. I am done with your stupidity altogether. DrxAbstract here is on the express lane to your same location as well.

His answer to everything folks. He can't handle that I once again put black and white facts on the table, and he just slithers away once he realizes his argument and "statements" of facts are nothing more than an illusion in his own mind.

DrxAbstract, on 23 April 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

P.S.
The Oxide doesnt have SRM Spread Quirks.

The 30 Ton ACH has a 36 Damage Alpha.

Get Rekt harder.

You see its FACTS like these that Gyrok just does not get. He makes up what ever he wants to.

[Gyrok]

Just going to leave this here: https://www.reddit.c...ds_a_real_nerf/

[DrxAbstract]

Gyrok, on 23 April 2016 - 09:35 PM, said:

Just going to leave this here: https://www.reddit.c...ds_a_real_nerf/

So... After reading through that, Lego uses near the exact same style of argument you have been: "Here are some theorycrafted numbers, some more irrelevant comparisons, i'm important so I'm right." Which suggests to me you were just regurgitating his argument here. Since that was getting shot full of holes by legitimate logic, reasoning, facts and actualities, you had nothing else to work with, gave some BS story about wasting your time and fled.

His reasoning doesnt hold up under scrutiny. Lego #1 Light in MRBC? If that's supposed mean something, be impressive or important well...Congratulations then! His argument still sucks (And so does yours).

[Darian DelFord]

Read it, same garbagae as usual and no facts brought to the table, however one post sumed up most OP threads like ahammer

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kyborgiPineapple Salad 1 point 4 days ago


The point was discussing that oxide is so OP that everyone will take it in every drop that it's allowed in. The fact that streak adder can splat oxides is irrelevant because you can't bring it to drop 1 anyway.


L_Cpl_Scott_Bukkake 1 point 4 days ago


no he means that streaks are banned in the first drop of mrbc so your point is invalid

ROFL its OP because they can't bring streaks in Drop 1 of MRBC, well guess what, just because you can't bring a counter to lights does not make the lights OP.

Absolutely hilarious.

Edited by Darian DelFord, 24 April 2016 - 05:19 AM.

[Gyrok]

DrxAbstract, on 24 April 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

So... After reading through that, Lego uses near the exact same style of argument you have been: "Here are some theorycrafted numbers, some more irrelevant comparisons, i'm important so I'm right." Which suggests to me you were just regurgitating his argument here. Since that was getting shot full of holes by legitimate logic, reasoning, facts and actualities, you had nothing else to work with, gave some BS story about wasting your time and fled.

His reasoning doesnt hold up under scrutiny. Lego #1 Light in MRBC? If that's supposed mean something, be impressive or important well...Congratulations then! His argument still sucks (And so does yours).

Be angry at the facts all you want...the proof is in the video.

There were over 700 matches played total...out of those...an oxide was the top scoring mech in the match 85+% of the time.

Not a heavy mech, not an assault mech, not a medium mech. Not something labeled OMGWTFBBQ super OP on the forums like the BK...it was the oxide.

You explain that away with some more semantics to justify it to yourself. The fact is though, our conversation is over.

[DrxAbstract]

Gyrok, on 24 April 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

Be angry at the facts all you want...the proof is in the video.

There were over 700 matches played total...out of those...an oxide was the top scoring mech in the match 85+% of the time.

Not a heavy mech, not an assault mech, not a medium mech. Not something labeled OMGWTFBBQ super OP on the forums like the BK...it was the oxide.

You explain that away with some more semantics to justify it to yourself. The fact is though, our conversation is over.

You dont use facts. You use diluted, exaggerated, ambiguous and outright false information... And it's not even your argument--You're copy-pasting someone else's argument!

I'm curious where the "Oxide was on top 85%+ of the time" information came from... Most likely the same place the rest of your info does - Your a**. Considering you have no proof to substantiate anything you say... I was hoping you'd be more of a challenge on the forums than you are in the game, at least... Guess not.

Edited by DrxAbstract, 24 April 2016 - 09:07 AM.

[Darian DelFord]

Gyrok, on 24 April 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

Be angry at the facts all you want...the proof is in the video.

There were over 700 matches played total...out of those...an oxide was the top scoring mech in the match 85+% of the time.

Not a heavy mech, not an assault mech, not a medium mech. Not something labeled OMGWTFBBQ super OP on the forums like the BK...it was the oxide.

You explain that away with some more semantics to justify it to yourself. The fact is though, our conversation is over.

ROFL you are talking about a video that is 2 years old







And the reason for your stats, if they are even accurate, is simple and I have brought this up a hundred ties before, as a comp players LIGHTS ARE IGNORED FOR THE LARGER TARGETS!!!


BTW Gyrok

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Drop 1 ­ Reconaissance (company level)

Gamemode: Skirmish
Required force composition: 4 Lights, 4 Mediums
Strikes: No strikes allowed
Restrictions: 1 per chassis (IS or Clan), 1 duplicate allowed (IS or Clan). You may not duplicate a Clan mech and an IS mech in the same deck - 1 duplicate allowed in total. No Clan Streak SRMs.

Next UN-founded fact Gyrok?

Edited by Darian DelFord, 24 April 2016 - 10:12 AM.

[Gyrok]

DrxAbstract, on 24 April 2016 - 08:59 AM, said:

You dont use facts. You use diluted, exaggerated, ambiguous and outright false information... And it's not even your argument--You're copy-pasting someone else's argument!

I'm curious where the "Oxide was on top 85%+ of the time" information came from... Most likely the same place the rest of your info does - Your a**. Considering you have no proof to substantiate anything you say... I was hoping you'd be more of a challenge on the forums than you are in the game, at least... Guess not.

https://mrbcleague.c...ules/videotube/

Watch the videos yourself of season 7.

The info is out there.

Also, considering the fact that I cannot recall having ever lost to a group that contained you in it...(unless you were carried by EmP/SJR/228/AS/HoL, perhaps, which clearly would have overshadowed you being relevant at all)...you insulting my in game performance is absolutely laughable at best.

On that note, I am putting you on ignore...since you cannot even muster a solid argument without resorting to anecdotes, and have gone so far as to insult me. I think I can say this conversation is over.

[Darian DelFord]

Gyrok, on 24 April 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

https://mrbcleague.c...ules/videotube/

Watch the videos yourself of season 7.

The info is out there.

Also, considering the fact that I cannot recall having ever lost to a group that contained you in it...(unless you were carried by EmP/SJR/228/AS/HoL, perhaps, which clearly would have overshadowed you being relevant at all)...you insulting my in game performance is absolutely laughable at best.

On that note, I am putting you on ignore...since you cannot even muster a solid argument without resorting to anecdotes, and have gone so far as to insult me. I think I can say this conversation is over.

So you are just making up numbers now and back tracking, I see. And again someone who counters your arguments is put on ignore since you can not deal with the facts as they are presented to you.

[DrxAbstract]

Gyrok, on 24 April 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

https://mrbcleague.c...ules/videotube/

Watch the videos yourself of season 7.

The info is out there.

Also, considering the fact that I cannot recall having ever lost to a group that contained you in it...(unless you were carried by EmP/SJR/228/AS/HoL, perhaps, which clearly would have overshadowed you being relevant at all)...you insulting my in game performance is absolutely laughable at best.

On that note, I am putting you on ignore...since you cannot even muster a solid argument without resorting to anecdotes, and have gone so far as to insult me. I think I can say this conversation is over.

The info is out there... You made the claim, back it up with actual citations or stop talking - It's that simple. I'm curious how many 'last posts' you're going to make, but I'm not surprised that information was inaccurate just like everything else you've said.

Clearly carried...



For as much as you grovel before comp teams it's no surprise you believe anything they say. Should I start linking QP+CW matches where 8-12man 228, Emp, Lords, JGx, CSJ, etc have lost to PUGs and 'lesser' units? The difference here is I at least admit to losing to them, whereas people like you and quite a few more, pretend they're untouchable and outright deny losing to people like me and my ilk. Quite the contrary. There's a large number of people that are just as competent, if not moreso, than your coveted comp teams that have no interest participating in that aspect of MWO.

Credit where credit's due, many of them are quite good. The repeated insinuations that everyone not associated with them is inferior, though... Will be your own undoing.

[Ultimax]

Mavairo, on 23 April 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Pulse weapon + streak = dead oxide, every time.
Oxides aren't very durable (It's a freakin Jenner...it's a Running CT with legs and missiles taped onto it). They aren't particularly fast.

The only thing they do particularly well is dumping SRMs into the back of mechs bigger than they are. And with the way SRMs spread, they aren't as effective against smaller targets as they are bigger ones.

Sorry but this really doesn't reflect what we see in current competitive matches.

If you're going to 1v1 or 2v2 other lights vs. oxides you're probably going to lose unless there is a large skill discrepancy in your favor

[Gyrok]

Ultimax, on 24 April 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

Sorry but this really doesn't reflect what we see in current competitive matches.

If you're going to 1v1 or 2v2 other lights vs. oxides you're probably going to lose unless there is a large skill discrepancy in your favor

+1

[smokefield]

that why other lights should be buffed.

[Gyrok]

smokefield, on 25 April 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

that why other lights should be buffed.

They should be buffed some, but the oxide also needs to be toned down some as well.

[The Mech behind you]

Gyrok, on 26 April 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

They should be buffed some, but the oxide also needs to be toned down some as well.

That's finally a level where we could debate about light balancing. I could agree to some slight quirk changes for the Oxide as long as they don't get removed completely and as long as the Clan Jenners and the IS Jenners will perform on the same level.

[smokefield]

oxide has one build and one role it can perform. nerf it and youwill not see oxides again. if anything we need more diversity and mechs on the field not less./