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[DjPush]

I tend to hit the override button quite a bit. I like to go down swinging in a ball of fire. If I have no chance of coming out of a fight alive, I'm gonna push the mech to the end. I intend to kill as many of them as possible or take any componants I can before I go down. I do this hoping that I cause enough damage that a team mate or more can finish them off.

So why do we get penalised for that? It shows up in player stats as "Suicide" in big red letters. I don't know if we lose Cbills or XP for it. I didn't see the total.

I don't see what'swrong here. Anyone care to weigh in on this?

[El Bandito]

The penalty is minimal, and can be made up easily by the potential damage and kill created by your last ditch alpha. I advise you to stop worrying about it.

[CDLord HHGD]

If it hurts, don't do it.

[Zoid]

I don't think you lose anything for it. If you get a TK it shows up under your C-bill earnings as "Team kill, -10000". This does not.

[MoonUnitBeta]

After 3 suicides within 2 hours you are auto perma-banned and all of your stuff is put into the middle of the monopoly board for when someone lands on free parking or rolls 13 doubles in a row. You'll need to contact support and give them a plea about why you should get your account back. No body has given a good enough reason yet.

Good luck.

[Dee Eight]

You agreed to the CoC when you installed the game to play...and you just admitted you regularly violate it.


GRIEFING

Engaging in any of the following actions while using PGI services is forbidden:

• Willfully or repeatedly destroying teammates.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly damaging your teammates.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech, either by overheating, going out-of-bounds, or committing some other form of suicide or intending to cause abnormally early death.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly disconnecting from a match.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly blocking teammate ‘Mechs or weapon trajectories.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly assisting the enemy.
  
• Taunting, baiting, or otherwise encouraging players to violate the Code of Conduct.

Edited by Dee Eight, 20 April 2016 - 08:59 AM.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Dee Eight, on 20 April 2016 - 08:59 AM, said:

You agreed to the CoC when you installed the game to play...and you just admitted you regularly violate it.


GRIEFING

Engaging in any of the following actions while using PGI services is forbidden:

• Willfully or repeatedly destroying teammates.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly damaging your teammates.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech, either by overheating, going out-of-bounds, or committing some other form of suicide or intending to cause abnormally early death.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly disconnecting from a match.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly blocking teammate ‘Mechs or weapon trajectories.
  
• Willfully or repeatedly assisting the enemy.
  
• Taunting, baiting, or otherwise encouraging players to violate the Code of Conduct.

Overriding while fighting is not breaking ToS, bud. Overriding then hiding in a corner and shooting walls til you explode is breaking ToS.

[Coolant]

A suicide is a suicide. If you know you will overheat and die then you are suiciding and will be reported. If nothing happens then so be it. But it's still suiciding and preventing others from getting a kill.

Edited by Coolant, 20 April 2016 - 09:30 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Afuldan McKronik, on 20 April 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

Overriding while fighting is not breaking ToS, bud. Overriding then hiding in a corner and shooting walls til you explode is breaking ToS.

I doubt the code is smart enough to know...repeat overheat death is repeat overheat death.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 April 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

I doubt the code is smart enough to know...repeat overheat death is repeat overheat death.

Yeah the auto punishment code. But players as people can tell between going out in a blaze of glory vs hiding and suiciding. So don't report someone who pops themselves trying to kill you but he pops. Report the guy who hides and suicides to prevent someone from getting the kill.

[Metus regem]

CD LoreHammer Lord, on 20 April 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

If it hurts, don't do it.

"Try anything once, twice if it hurts."

said by a buddy of mine in a D&D game about 15 years ago... still makes me laugh.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 April 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

I doubt the code is smart enough to know...repeat overheat death is repeat overheat death.

It isn't but asking support to look at your live server data is usually sufficient for them to undo any autobans or whatever.

[Blue Boutique]

Coolant, on 20 April 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

A suicide is a suicide. If you know you will overheat and die then you are suiciding and will be reported. If nothing happens then so be it. But it's still suiciding and preventing others from getting a kill.

Its pretty much a RNG when you go over. Sometimes you get lucky and get away with a damaged leg, other times you suffer a pilot death.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Committing suicide for the purposes of attempting to obtain victory is not a violation of the Code of Conduct or Terms of Service. They state very clearly it's not allowed to intentionally cause early death or to facilitate non-participation.

If you are inundated with enemies and about to die, then you override to cause additional damage that would have been otherwise impossible, then you are supporting your team's drive to victory and are not violating any rules.

They simply do not have an automated means to discern between Glorious Suicide and greifing suicide, so they lump them under the same penalty category. Moral of the story - suiciding to get a kill or additional damage is perfectly fine, and you should issue a Chat Abuse reprt against anyone who gives you crap about it.

[Chimera_]

Overheating whilst attempting to contribute more is a perfectly legit choice. I've never heard of anyone getting legit banned because they override to put out more damage. Most players at higher tiers do it (to my knowledge), and even NGNG, PGI's paid exemplars do it regularly. Of course, on the other side you have the K/D insecurity behavior of hiding and overheating, but that's another story.

Edited by Chimera11, 20 April 2016 - 10:14 AM.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Had a guy that got all racist on allchat after we won a few nights ago. That deserves immediate bans, imho. I get salty and frustrated, and QQ once in a while, but pulling that shouldn't ever be brought into a game, ever.

Same with suicide griefing because you didn't want to die to someone who out piloted your team.

[Nazlfrag]

Nothing in the OP says he is "suicide griefing". I also regularly overheat and die, because in the heat of battle I push my mech to the limit. I'm not trying to grief anyone or deny anyone a kill, I'm trying to kill them before they kill me. It works more often than not, so those times I explode are worth the times I would have died anyway and they would have lived. None of this violates any rules.

[Last Sight]

Coolant, on 20 April 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

A suicide is a suicide. If you know you will overheat and die then you are suiciding and will be reported. If nothing happens then so be it. But it's still suiciding and preventing others from getting a kill.

Not really. If that was the case they should just remove override entirely. But it's not, just as ejecting in FW between waves to have a fresh mech ready isn't against ToS and we can bind a key specifically for that.

[Chuck Jager]

I personally can live with the minor penalty. PGI would need to increase the penalty with possible sliding time bans or increase the damage sustained or other negative in game penalties for overheating before I would discontinue doing this.

The joy of watching the hiders come out their to get a last kill, while you die in a blaze of glory is worth the one pt of penalty the suicide gives you.

You are robbing them of their chance to pad their epeen with a tool PGI gave you. It is your job to deny the enemy team of everything you can and hit their players as hard as possible within the confines of the CoC. It is like a cheap chess or any other game move when you are playing against folks who maybe do not have the same background to the game, but PGI says the 1 pt and red letter suicide is the proper punishment.

Am I bad by admitting I also know it makes folks feel trolled at the time I am doing going down in a ball of flames (or just too dumb to not know honesty is not always the best policy)? NOTE I never ever suicide out of combat, and am focused first at killing the enemy and PGIs logs should confirm this.

[wanderer]

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A suicide is a suicide. If you know you will overheat and die then you are suiciding and will be reported.

Overrides that cause you to melt while fighting are not violations of the terms of conduct. Now go be dumb somewhere else.