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[dervishx5]

People keep telling me it's not the eye. But if it's not the eye, then why did they add the helmet to it from the lore?

From TRO 3025:

Many pilots also provide their Mech with false armor head protectors, which gives them the appearance of wearing a helmet. The Rationale is that incoming missiles and autocannon fire will explode against the false armor instead of the actual head armor. This is, at best, a poor solution to the problem weakness.


From TRO 3039:

Other versions carry false head protectors, which pilots thought would give slightly more protection against missiles and projectiles impacting against the ’Mech’s exposed head. Shortly after the Fourth Succession War, a Federated Suns think tank did a study on this theory, originally proposing to outfit all remaining BattleMechs with such a cheap and low-tech add on. The study determined, however, that the head protectors actually caused more damage by restricting a MechWarrior’s vision, and they created extra shrapnel when hit with weapons fire. The proposal was dropped, and many Cyclopspilots quickly took off the “helmets.”

So if that's not the cockpit, where is it? Because the lore would seem to indicate that's the cockpit. I think most people get confused because of the Mektek version.

Edited by dervishx5, 20 April 2016 - 07:53 PM.

[Here comes BarHaid from 3025]

Yes, it's the eye. The people who tell you otherwise are under the delusion that a laser will fit there on the Hero version. Make no mistake; that laser will be a bolt-on that makes the Vindicator's head look like a cute birth mark. That's just how these things work.

[RoboPatton]

BarHaid in a stock mech, on 20 April 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

Yes, it's the eye. The people who tell you otherwise are under the delusion that a laser will fit there on the Hero version. Make no mistake; that laser will be a bolt-on that makes the Vindicator's head look like a cute birth mark. That's just how these things work.

Laser eye cyclops? They got the wrong guy!



Funny story, I'm a biclops irl.

[dervishx5]

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

IIRC there's a torso-mounted cockpit version which uses the "eye" to house a high-powered sensor suite.

Edited by Levi Porphyrogenitus, 20 April 2016 - 09:34 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

BarHaid in a stock mech, on 20 April 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

Yes, it's the eye. The people who tell you otherwise are under the delusion that a laser will fit there on the Hero version. Make no mistake; that laser will be a bolt-on that makes the Vindicator's head look like a cute birth mark. That's just how these things work.

No delusion.... just a wishlist which I came up with fiber optic space magic to explain! Rule of cool FTW!!!!!!

[ChapeL]

Well, the first thing that came to mind when I read that Slepnir had a head laser was... a regular square laser dead center of the "eye" and that looked anything but cool.

[Bishop Steiner]

ChapeL, on 20 April 2016 - 09:56 PM, said:

Well, the first thing that came to mind when I read that Slepnir had a head laser was... a regular square laser dead center of the "eye" and that looked anything but cool.

ew....no Care Bear Space Magic to that...... of course, a big square Laser Cube strapped ANYWHERE on the beautiful cockpit dome will look hideous...finally have a dumber looking mount than the laser cigar on La Malinche.

[dervishx5]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 April 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

ew....no Care Bear Space Magic to that...... of course, a big square Laser Cube strapped ANYWHERE on the beautiful cockpit dome will look hideous...finally have a dumber looking mount than the laser cigar on La Malinche.

[ChewBaka]

I have expectations that the entire eye will be the cockpit hitbox. ALL of it.

After all, if PGI are going to go by lore and give the mech a more advanced sensor suite, than it also makes sense to balance it out by making it easier to headshot as that's also in the lore.

[Karl Streiger]

The story that the eye is not the cockpit is based on the novel " Operation Exaclibur" - in this novel a Cyclops is loosing is head and with it all its sensors but the pilot survives (well i call it a mission kill)

[Bishop Steiner]

Karl Streiger, on 20 April 2016 - 11:26 PM, said:

The story that the eye is not the cockpit is based on the novel " Operation Exaclibur" - in this novel a Cyclops is loosing is head and with it all its sensors but the pilot survives (well i call it a mission kill)

the 3025 TRO had a similar acct, with a commando pilot in a functional but headless machine. Also at one point Adam Steiner put a Gauss slug thru Victor's Direwolf's cockpit. Basically head is destroyed but shot misses the pilot. Although in reality, a mech grade weapon would kill with a near miss. What happens to a tank crew on a crew cabin penetration is apparently pretty messy.

[Karl Streiger]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 April 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

the 3025 TRO had a similar acct, with a commando pilot in a functional but headless machine. Also at one point Adam Steiner put a Gauss slug thru Victor's Direwolf's cockpit. Basically head is destroyed but shot misses the pilot. Although in reality, a mech grade weapon would kill with a near miss. What happens to a tank crew on a crew cabin penetration is apparently pretty messy.

Apparently the battle of Newton Square was outfought on the table.... can imagine that the Donegal Guards were shredding the tyrant and his rebel friends - even killing this footnote on history... but well the author decided otherwise

I'm sure that a 125kg slug with several mach would kill a unprotected human with a miss - just by the shockwave

[DerMaulwurf]

Karl Streiger, on 21 April 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

Apparently the battle of Newton Square was outfought on the table.... can imagine that the Donegal Guards were shredding the tyrant and his rebel friends - even killing this footnote on history... but well the author decided otherwise

I'm sure that a 125kg slug with several mach would kill a unprotected human with a miss - just by the shockwave

Your puny shockwave cannot compete with plot armor.

[oldradagast]

Assuming the mech ends up looking like the preview art, I'd assume only the center, circular glass panel - not the whole glass window - counts for the eye. This would be like a lot of existing mechs where the whole glass cockpit area does NOT count as the head hitbox, and only the center-most panel does.

Of course, PGI: they could easily assume that a mech with a sensor package that encourages team play in a team game needs a crippling weakness, like a huge head hitbox...

[dervishx5]

Karl Streiger, on 20 April 2016 - 11:26 PM, said:

The story that the eye is not the cockpit is based on the novel " Operation Exaclibur" - in this novel a Cyclops is loosing is head and with it all its sensors but the pilot survives (well i call it a mission kill)

If we went by what the novels said then I want my talking space birds.

[LegendaryArticuno]

So many lore fanatics... and judging by their responses they want an unplayable mech... just because it follows poorly written lore.

[dervishx5]

LegendaryArticuno, on 21 April 2016 - 07:21 AM, said:

So many lore fanatics... and judging by their responses they want an unplayable mech... just because it follows poorly written lore.

Go back to Mektek, heathen.

[Zacharias McLeod]

The big eye is the cockpit.

Look at the head. It looks like a helmet. Remove the metal that creates this look and you have the real cyclops head without the fake protection.



I know I have seen such a cyclops on a picture long ago but stupidly I could not found one in the net.

Edited by Zacharias McLeod, 21 April 2016 - 11:05 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

dervishx5, on 21 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Go back to Mektek, heathen.

don't you mean Hawken?