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[hutzlibu]

Random Carnage, on 26 April 2016 - 03:20 AM, said:

I don't think anyone is expecting perma-cover, but when it starts blo*dy raining, a bit of a hand for the fatties to reach cover would be good.

And you can be sure, I will provide it, when I am around ...
But even when I am the only one with ECM - and I want to go scouting and backstabbing - I probably won't be around.

And in those cases you can't blame me for not doing what you want. Instead you should just equip your own ecm, if you really need it and can't find cover ... why should I be responsible for you? It was your decision to not bring ecm and mine to bring some and go another way.

[Raggedyman]

Karl Streiger, on 26 April 2016 - 02:26 AM, said:

No not cheating - but where is the skill in using ECM?

Flanking without ECM is fun - flanking with an Atlas or King Crab without ECM is art

I presume from that that all your mechs have one dot of armour on each location, as anything else would be a cheating, artless style that just hides behind stats/game effects rather than raw skills.

Correct?

[Kotzi]

I think you dont mean flanking but rather sniping at the cost of your teams armor. Teamplayers everywhere.

[Alistair Winter]

Some people expect assault mechs to tank.
Some people expect light mechs to cap.
Some people expect ECM mechs to cover their teammates.
Some people expect heavies and mediums to not leave assaults behind.
Some people expect people with long range weapons to shoot down uavs.
Some people expect teammates near base to defend it when it's being capped.


Ultimately, nobody can tell you to do any of those things. Although if you have any expectations of your teammates at all - at all - then it's fairly hypocritical to judge them for having expectations towards you.

You can say "if you want to shoot down uavs, bring your own large lasers", and it's totally valid, but you can hardly blame people for expecting some degree of teamwork either.

[Tarogato]

Team Chevy86, on 26 April 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

When you're the only ECM on the team, and the enemy team has LRM support or Narcs... I expect that ECM cover. No ifs ands or buts. Starving the enemy from spawning red doritos is more important than you scratching an enemy at 800m.

When he is the only ECM on the team, what ever would you do it he had incidentally chosen to bring, say.... a non-ECM mech instead? "Nobody has any ECM on my team, we're all doomed!"

The ECM bubble is tiny ever since the nerf. Really the only ECM mechs that I would expect to hang around the team are Hellbringers, Cataphracts, Archers, and Atlases. Anything else would be better off using the ECM to harass from a flank instead of trying to huddle around holding up the anti-lurm umbrella for their teammates who think they can't fend for themselves.

If you often find yourself being salty about people not selflessly providing ECM for you, then I suggest playing an ECM mech yourself. Hellbringers are pretty danged good mechs.

[Rushin Roulette]

Alistair Winter, on 26 April 2016 - 04:01 AM, said:

Some people expect assault mechs to tank.
Some people expect light mechs to cap.
Some people expect ECM mechs to cover their teammates.
Some people expect heavies and mediums to not leave assaults behind.
Some people expect people with long range weapons to shoot down uavs.
Some people expect teammates near base to defend it when it's being capped.

I prefere to expect my teammates to be utter complete morons who couldnt maneuver themselves out of a box of Cornflakes and couldnt hit the side of a barn while standing inside said barn. This way I am happy when Im incorrect... its just a shame that every now and then you get some specialist who dont disappoint my expectations.

[hutzlibu]

Kotzi, on 26 April 2016 - 03:56 AM, said:

I think you dont mean flanking but rather sniping at the cost of your teams armor. Teamplayers everywhere.

*Sigh*
I meant
a) flanking from the main group (mostly as heavy)
sniping from behind own brawling lines (as heavy)
c) scouting and sniping behind enemy lines (as light)
d) scouting and hit and run behind enemy lines (as light)

In all those roles I can't provide cover for the main group, but all those playstyles are really valuable for the whole team for several reasons.
Alone scouting ...
Don't you think it is better, if you know where the enemy is, before you stumble into his firing line?

Teamplaying is a lot more than just stick together.

Edited by hutzlibu, 26 April 2016 - 04:09 AM.

[hutzlibu]

Alistair Winter, on 26 April 2016 - 04:01 AM, said:

Some people expect assault mechs to tank.
Some people expect light mechs to cap.
Some people expect ECM mechs to cover their teammates.
Some people expect heavies and mediums to not leave assaults behind.
Some people expect people with long range weapons to shoot down uavs.
Some people expect teammates near base to defend it when it's being capped.


Ultimately, nobody can tell you to do any of those things. Although if you have any expectations of your teammates at all - at all - then it's fairly hypocritical to judge them for having expectations towards you.

You can say "if you want to shoot down uavs, bring your own large lasers", and it's totally valid, but you can hardly blame people for expecting some degree of teamwork either.

But they have the wrong assumptions.
When I play with my sniper spider, then I barely have any armor at all ... and won't really last in brawling.
So this is the last place I want or should be.
No matter how much other people expect me.

Oh ... and btw. even with my Hellbringer ... I sometimes go behind the enemy.
They usually really don't like it to get shot in the back with dual ppc and not knowing from where ... when they are about to rush my team in the weak spot ... then spread out in the wrong direction and get crushed by the main force of my team.
How is that not teamplaying?

[adamts01]

Malachy Karrde, on 23 April 2016 - 10:10 PM, said:

In my opinion lights need to be forced into the scout and recon role and left there.

There would have to be a real need for a match-long scout/recon lance for that to happen, which will sadly never be the case with PGI at the weel. TDM e-sports in this version of mechwarrior I'm afraid.

[Davegt27]

op its your Mech do what you want

[Bishop Steiner]

hutzlibu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:32 AM, said:

Hm, where is the skill in hit and run style behind enemy lines, where every false step could be your last,
I really don't know.

I do that in HBKs and CN9s, which have neither ECM, nor wimpy mech sonic the hedgehog escape velocity/lagshield.

What's so amazing about stacking the deck?

[Bishop Steiner]

Davegt27, on 26 April 2016 - 04:21 AM, said:

op its your Mech do what you want

agreed. as long as the person also isn't one who then cries for help when an enemy lance jumps hims and complains that his teammates abandoned him, after.

Although hopefully his hunting forays are situational. There are times it's fine, and times where tactically, it does make sense to support the team. As long as the OP is OK with losing/possibly being the cause of a loss, then by all means, solo rambo hero away!

(there may be some degree of tongue planted in cheek for this post, reader discretion advised.)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 26 April 2016 - 05:24 AM.

[sycocys]

Alistair Winter, on 26 April 2016 - 04:01 AM, said:

Ultimately, nobody can tell you to do any of those things. Although if you have any expectations of your teammates at all - at all - then it's fairly hypocritical to judge them for having expectations towards you.

In pug queue I don't even expect the other 11 people to show up to the match.

[xXBagheeraXx]

I dont mind you flanking under ECM if you

A. Sucessfully FLANK....sitting behind them and hen pecking with 2Erll @900meters in an b!tch Raven is not "flanking" flanking is a nice distraction that lets the rest of your team crest the hill and ruin thier back armor.

B. your team is not in an open map and getting shredded by LRMS...you are an lrm deterrant first and a flanker second. If you have the tools available to help your team NOT suck LRM death then you should use it. Thats what being a team player is. I absolutely love it when I'm in a direct fire mech and ive got some ecm heavy sticking with me...I can actually move out of cover and blat LRM boats in the face without every LRM in the map dropping on my head...

Honestly ECM sniper builds are just selfish and ineffective...you seldom accomplish much unless you have the team carry you, and when i see them on the enemy team I largely ignore them, Murder all thier teammates then type in chat "So hows that b!tch build working for you?" as we hunt him down.

"But ive got 700 damge in a light mech!!!"

but no kills your team died to lrms and you didnt even so much as open a mechs armor...GG. RIP you. Credit to the team.

[Bud Crue]

Team Chevy86, on 26 April 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

When you're the only ECM on the team, and the enemy team has LRM support or Narcs... I expect that ECM cover. No ifs ands or buts. Starving the enemy from spawning red doritos is more important than you scratching an enemy at 800m.

I think I get what you're saying here, in essence; be a team player, etc. But really in regard to the topic of ECM, how does one provide ECM cover to the team, given the current range of the ECM bubble? If I bring ECM in a PB do you really think I am making the best use of my mech by walking along with a Dire? I gotta think a better use of that mech is socuting, and then harassing/squirreling the enemy than trying to walk along with 1 or at best 2 slower mechs. The chances of any appreciable portion of the company staying close enough to provide ECM to the "team" is virtually nil.

Edited by Bud Crue, 26 April 2016 - 06:28 AM.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Bud Crue, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

I think I get what you're saying here, in essence; be a team player, etc. But really in regard to the topic of ECM, how does one provide ECM cover to the team, given the current range of the ECM bubble? If I bring ECM in a PB do you really think I am making the best use of my mech by walking along with a Dire? I gotta think a better use of that mech is socuting, and then harassing/squirreling the enemy than trying to walk along with 1 or at best 2 slower mechs. The chances of any appreciable portion of the company staying close enough to provide ECM to the "team" is virtually nil.

Find the biggest group of slow assaults and leg hump them. Those are the cornerposts of your team, letting your assaults die early, especially to preventable LRM death rarely ends well for you.

[Mystere]

Karl Streiger, on 26 April 2016 - 02:08 AM, said:

When you like flanking - don't cheat - don't use ECM.

You obviously did not go through Koga school.

[Mystere]

Tarogato, on 26 April 2016 - 04:03 AM, said:

When he is the only ECM on the team, what ever would you do it he had incidentally chosen to bring, say.... a non-ECM mech instead? "Nobody has any ECM on my team, we're all doomed!"

The ECM bubble is tiny ever since the nerf. Really the only ECM mechs that I would expect to hang around the team are Hellbringers, Cataphracts, Archers, and Atlases. Anything else would be better off using the ECM to harass from a flank instead of trying to huddle around holding up the anti-lurm umbrella for their teammates who think they can't fend for themselves.

If you often find yourself being salty about people not selflessly providing ECM for you, then I suggest playing an ECM mech yourself. Hellbringers are pretty danged good mechs.

That's what happens when one-dimensional players accuse others of playing one-dimensionally, for hopefully obvious reasons.

[Jikil]

90 Meters is too close to be to other mechs.

I hate getting stuck in another friendly mech's AT field as I try to back into cover only to find my mech never made it.

Just make ECM personal to the mech that brings it since thats closer to lore anyway. They might have to change narc with that though.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Hold up wait, I have a better retort.

If you want an assault mech to tank, Buy your own.

if you want some LRM support? Buy your own lrm mech and bring it.

If you want someone to scrape that light mech off you, Bring your own streaks and your own light mech killer...

See how that works?