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[Johny Rocket]

So splitting the small player base again will improve match times and lower the number of ghost drops?

They say in the patch notes it was forum whining that caused the split que and well it didn't work.

So keep crying and bitching and maybe you can get PGI to make more bad choices.

[STEF_]

Barantor, on 28 April 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Having 8v8 for quick play and 12v12 for faction warfare would be fine with me.

Actually, having invasion and scouting modes in cw, players are too much splitted (it's not only team and solo ques issues)

[Mister Blastman]

People play CW?

I'd love 8v8 if they'd bring it back to the PUG queue.

[mogs01gt]

8v8 had way better game play!

[Barantor]

Stefka Kerensky, on 28 April 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

Actually, having invasion and scouting modes in cw, players are too split (it's not only team and solo ques issues)

8v8 in quick play would push big groups into Faction Warfare where they probably should be playing and wouldn't affect the split that is already in effect.

If we got rid of group quick play it would push everyone into Faction Warfare when they grouped though....

[Nemesis Duck]

6 random pugs vs 4 in organized group lance

CHALLENGE! FUN! DO IT!

[Mystere]

Stefka Kerensky, on 27 April 2016 - 10:40 PM, said:

If playerbase asks hard 8vs8, which I wrote why it's the wise solution, we can have it.

Asking is not what gets things done in here. It's whining, and doing so loudly in mass numbers.

Edited by Mystere, 28 April 2016 - 01:14 PM.

[Mystere]

lex conway, on 28 April 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

6 random pugs vs 4 in organized group lance

CHALLENGE! FUN! DO IT!

I think this is the game mode you are looking for.

Edited by Mystere, 28 April 2016 - 12:47 PM.

[wanderer]

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Russ has already stated that the queues will never go back to 8v8 IIRC.

He's also stated we'd never have a 3rd person view or coolant boosters.

Note that strangely, we have both. Russ changed his position at the time.

[WarHippy]

Stefka Kerensky, on 27 April 2016 - 10:24 PM, said:

Next fix will merge ques again in cw, but, imo, there are good reasons to improve que with 8vs8

1) faster matches.
(math: with 48 ppl in 2 common drops, using 8vs8 we could have 3 matches, instead of only 2)

2) improved MM
with less spots to be filled, MM can more easier fill the match with players inside the same tier

3) good players can carry easier.

4) easier drops in cw.
Now there are players who like scouting, and this leaves the invasion drops even more lonely.

Can anyone tweet Russ about this?
Never ever answered to me, so some Tweet Lord can do the favor?
Thanks

I still prefer 12v12 in most cases, but I'm sure we could find a way to make 8v8 happen in some way even if only for certain smaller maps.

That being said I see number three brought up a lot in topics like this and I have a hard time understanding why this is a good thing. Sure, it can be frustrating knowing that no matter how much you channel John Rambo into your game play you are not always going to be the deciding factor of the match and I understand that. However, this game isn't nor should it be a game designed around individual performance. This is a team based game that you either win as a team or lose as a team. We need to be encouraging people to work together more rather than set things up so one person can more easily go on a streak killing the entire team.

[CDLord HHGD]

There is no lore based unit around 8 mechs. You got a lance of 4 and a company of 12.....

Now 4 separate lances in a 4-way free-for-all, that would be interesting. Maybe special Brian Cache events..... "Win it for your house!"

[Jables McBarty]

CD LoreHammer Lord, on 28 April 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

There is no lore based unit around 8 mechs. You got a lance of 4 and a company of 12.....

Now 4 separate lances in a 4-way free-for-all, that would be interesting. Maybe special Brian Cache events..... "Win it for your house!"

What about "two lances"?

I'm loregnorant, but isn't that why you have multiple levels?

Or maybe the third dropship got shot down. Every game.

[Khobai]

quickplay needs to be 8v8

CW is fine at 12v12 though

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Actually, having invasion and scouting modes in cw, players are too much splitted (it's not only team and solo ques issues)

nah the real issue is they have 10 different factions

but only enough players for 2 factions

what they needed to do was reduce the number of factions from 10 to 2 and then they could easily keep the solo queue.

Edited by Khobai, 28 April 2016 - 02:45 PM.

[Tatula]

4v4 - CW Scouting

8v8 - PUG Quick Play with a max group size of 2 (so 2 friends can play together without getting stomped by larger groups)

12v12 - Group Queue and CW

[Alex Morgaine]

wanderer, on 28 April 2016 - 01:23 PM, said:

He's also stated we'd never have a 3rd person view or coolant boosters.

Note that strangely, we have both. Russ changed his position at the time.

Tbf this is why i still have hope for the flea. It can work, and 8v8 for fw could too. 2v2, 4v4, 6v6, 10v10 could each cover something different. Garrison defense, capital assaults, dustball command, im sure each could be worked into something valid eventually That would Not kill the game.

That drop ship mode i hear they're working on, is that already set in stone on the basis of... Well everything?

[Imperius]

CD LoreHammer Lord, on 28 April 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

There is no lore based unit around 8 mechs. You got a lance of 4 and a company of 12.....

Now 4 separate lances in a 4-way free-for-all, that would be interesting. Maybe special Brian Cache events..... "Win it for your house!"

Why are you here? This game has no lore...

[GorlockTheDestroyer]

FW: 4v4 and 12v12

PUG: 8v8

This makes too much sense so will not happen

[TheArisen]

I made a poll about 8v8 in CW/FW. Come check it out & vote/comment.
http://mwomercs.com/...8-cwfw-battles/

[DAYLEET]

Khobai, on 28 April 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

nah the real issue is they have 10 different factions

but only enough players for 2 factions

what they needed to do was reduce the number of factions from 10 to 2 and then they could easily keep the solo queue.

It should have been IS vs Clan. Maybe if PGI didnt stream themselves waiting for a CW drop they could give the split queue a chance. The split should have happened at the Steam launch. The Steamers left when they realised this game needed you to have played for years and put large amount of cash in the game to have fun. Because from my own observation, they would click Faction Play before Quick Play. Can't blame them, faction plays seems a lot more fun and it's only when youve played it that you grow to hate it.

Edited by DAYLEET, 28 April 2016 - 07:26 PM.

[Davers]

One of the fun aspects of watching esports is seeing players playing the same game as you are, but at a "higher level". It's not a good sign when PGI is discovering that their game is not really balanced or well suited, in it's 'normal' state, to play competitive matches in. Also, when the game modes are so bland that they need to play Conquest instead of Skirmish, not for it's interesting game play but solely for the purpose of avoiding ties, it just makes me wonder what this game could have been.