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[ChapeL]

Can't help but shake my head when 70 kph is considered " assault mech speed" these days.

[Bishop Steiner]

Hit the Deck, on 29 April 2016 - 04:18 AM, said:

Well, would you?

I'm kind of on the fence on this. I don't really fancy the 'Mech because its "brute firepower" design philosophy is in contrast with what I like, which is designs emphasizing mobility first and firepower second. But it offers something new on the Clan Heavy side. To be fair, the Orion IIC has already filled that role, but this 'Mech is better designed and easier to the eyes IMO.

Doesn't interest me, tbh, but I won't comp,lain when they add it.

All the people drooling over it's firepower gloss over 2 things:


Dem hitboxes ain't going to be fantastic, unless Alex changes things so that it's no longer a Night Gyr.

and 2) Despite all the QQ about the TBR being overengined, the TBR's success is directly related to it's speed. It's not the only factor, but theTBR is amazing because it's the perfect storm with the a blend of solid hitboxes, great speed and and very good firepower. It's tactical flexibility is off the charts.

If the Gyr could choose a 325 or 350 engine, we might be talking. But a locked 300? Hello Orion (though with about twice the firepower). It might still be interesting because of the firepower, but that 70 kph locked speed takes it off the table for me.

Of course, I don't use Clan Mechs (aside from some "captured" HBK-IICs, thanks to ilikerice!) on this acct, and my Clan Acct is a freebirth Ghost Bear so I'd prefer the Grizzly or to wait my time for a Nova Cat if I had to go slow.

[Chuanhao]

I will, I will also get a nova cat, but only either one, whichever came out first.

While occupying the same space as Orion IIC, I prefer the options with omni pods.

But I cannot imagine another 3052 OMNI that I would buy. There isn't any left that interest me.

[Pariah Devalis]

Absolutely, I would buy it.

It does something that no other Clan heavy currently does particularly well: boat dakka. The EBJ can boat it better than the others, but better doesn't mean "great." The Night Gyr would be an amazing ballistic platform. Triple-UAC10, Quad-UAC5, Hex-UAC2, you name it. More often than not with the option for laser based backup weapon systems. Even has a missile variant that provides some alternative weapon pods. Going just under 70 makes it as fast as most IS heavies, but with the firepower of some assault mechs. Jump jets being in addition to the 37 tons of pod space is a perk.

It isn't a Nova Cat. It will never carry the same degree of efficient laservomit as that mech. However, it is the progenitor of that glorious PewPewPowerhouse. It only seems right to get the entire family of mechs. Especially since they cater to different loadouts. Night Gyr is just a better ballistics platform compared to the Nova Cat, due to pod space and hardpoint types. Nova Cat has the free critical slot space needed for lasers. I see no conflict here.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 29 April 2016 - 07:37 AM.

[Spr1ggan]

Hit the Deck, on 29 April 2016 - 04:27 AM, said:

It runs at ~70kph (69.7kph) with speed tweak which is the same speed as the WHK, EXE, etc.

So 60 something was still right and it's still slow as hell for a heavy in the current game. It's probably not gonna get structure buffs or anything to make up for it which will mean it's gonna be inferior to Clan heavies like the TBR/HBR and quirked IS heavies.

[Gas Guzzler]

Would definitely buy.

Dual gauss plus lasers
Gauss plus lasers vomit
3 UAC10S
4 UAC5S


Yeah, going to have lots of fun with this thing.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Absolutely, I would buy it.

It does something that no other Clan heavy currently does particularly well: boat dakka. The EBJ can boat it better than the others, but better doesn't mean "great." The Night Gyr would be an amazing ballistic platform. Triple-UAC10, Quad-UAC5, Hex-UAC2, you name it. More often than not with the option for laser based backup weapon systems. Even has a missile variant that provides some alternative weapon pods. Going just under 70 makes it as fast as most IS heavies, but with the firepower of some assault mechs. Jump jets being in addition to the 37 tons of pod space is a perk.

It isn't a Nova Cat. It will never carry the same degree of efficient laservomit as that mech. However, it is the progenitor of that glorious PewPewPowerhouse. It only seems right to get the entire family of mechs. Especially since they cater to different loadouts. Night Gyr is just a better ballistics platform compared to the Nova Cat, due to pod space and hardpoint types. Nova Cat has the free critical slot space needed for lasers. I see no conflict here.

3x UAC5/ 2x ERLL Novacat C covers my primary dakka needs....

But I do like almost anythign that can carry 2x UAC10.

[Pariah Devalis]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 April 2016 - 07:45 AM, said:

3x UAC5/ 2x ERLL Novacat C covers my primary dakka needs....

But I do like almost anythign that can carry 2x UAC10.

Eh. Without the pinpoint damage output of the C-UACs, I feel like it takes 4 just to be as efficient as 3 IS UAC5. At least they weigh approximately the same at 27 (IS) vs 28 (C) tons. The 3xUAC5 2xERMLas EBJ still hits a little too weakly to anyone who doesn't just stand there and take it - as compared to my old 3xUAC5 2 MLas Jagermech, anyways. Plus, think about it... 6 UAC2. ALL ZEE DAKKA!

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 29 April 2016 - 07:52 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Eth3real, on 29 April 2016 - 07:38 AM, said:

So 60 something was still right and it's still slow as hell for a heavy in the current game. It's probably not gonna get structure buffs or anything to make up for it which will mean it's gonna be inferior to Clan heavies like the TBR/HBR and quirked IS heavies.

It's more like a mini assault with that kind of firepower. It's the mech you have stand by your Maulers and lay down extra damage. I'd be surprised if this doesn't make its way into some competitive drops.

[Coralld]

I'd buy it.

What can I say, I loves my dakka.

[Spr1ggan]

Gas Guzzler, on 29 April 2016 - 07:54 AM, said:

It's more like a mini assault with that kind of firepower. It's the mech you have stand by your Maulers and lay down extra damage. I'd be surprised if this doesn't make its way into some competitive drops.

I see what you're getting at but i've seen the Orion IIC be used in much the same way, and it didn't work out very well.

[Widowmaker1981]

Pariah Devalis, on 29 April 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

Eh. Without the pinpoint damage output of the C-UACs, I feel like it takes 4 just to be as efficient as 3 IS UAC5. At least they weigh approximately the same at 27 (IS) vs 28 (C) tons. The 3xUAC5 2xERMLas EBJ still hits a little too weakly to anyone who doesn't just stand there and take it - as compared to my old 3xUAC5 2 MLas Jagermech, anyways. Plus, think about it... 6 UAC2. ALL ZEE DAKKA!

Ah, but the Nova cat will be able to have a LAA in the energy arm with the 3UAC5s in the other arm, giving it MUCH better tracking with those UACs, and hopefully better pinpoint because of it. Also better convergence.

Eth3real, on 29 April 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

I see what you're getting at but i've seen the Orion IIC be used in much the same way, and it didn't work out very well.

Because the Onion cant boat dakka, because max 2 b ports.

[Pariah Devalis]

Widowmaker1981, on 29 April 2016 - 08:00 AM, said:

Ah, but the Nova cat will be able to have a LAA in the energy arm with the 3UAC5s in the other arm, giving it MUCH better tracking with those UACs, and hopefully better pinpoint because of it. Also better convergence.

Ah (AH!) but the Night Gyr can grab 4 UAC5 and still has room for 8 tons of ammo and 2 ERMLas (CT and Head), when fully armored. With jump jets.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 29 April 2016 - 08:02 AM.

[Snowbluff]

Nope, I own TBR. Not much point to getting another heavy to master.

[Bishop Steiner]

Snowbluff, on 29 April 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

Nope, I own TBR. Not much point to getting another heavy to master.

true. Although I can see where the dakka lovers are coming from, I just hope the low speed and hitboxes (and low arms) don't dash their dreams on the rocks of despair.

But I think we all know it's going to be coming, whether tonight, next month, whatever.

[Snowbluff]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 April 2016 - 08:17 AM, said:

true. Although I can see where the dakka lovers are coming from, I just hope the low speed and hitboxes (and low arms) don't dash their dreams on the rocks of despair.

But I think we all know it's going to be coming, whether tonight, next month, whatever.

Yeah, ballistics would be the big selling point. It will have like 33 tons of pod space, right? I've been messing around trying to get a nice Clan mech for B slots, but it hasn't been working out for me past the Hunchback IIC. With the kodiak coming, I think I'll be a bit happier with my level of DAKKA overall.

[Pariah Devalis]

Snowbluff, on 29 April 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

Yeah, ballistics would be the big selling point. It will have like 33 tons of pod space, right? I've been messing around trying to get a nice Clan mech for B slots, but it hasn't been working out for me past the Hunchback IIC. With the kodiak coming, I think I'll be a bit happier with my level of DAKKA overall.

37. Stock with maxed armor IIRC.

[Gas Guzzler]

Eth3real, on 29 April 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

I see what you're getting at but i've seen the Orion IIC be used in much the same way, and it didn't work out very well.

True, but the Orion IIC has less than ideal hardpoint location, and is only capped at 2 ballistics. (3UAC10s or 4 UAC5s, with a shield arm) should be better than 2 UAC10s and 2 cLPLs) And jump jets also allow you to get to higher positions to strengthen the firing line.

[cazidin]

You win. Well played.

[SkyHammyr]

A bright shining example that even someone as talented as Alex can't make this Ugly PoS look any good.

Have fun with your Votom.

Edited by SkyHammyr, 29 April 2016 - 06:51 PM.