31 replies to this topic

[HoundOfCullan]

I would love to buy into the clan side of things, help even out CW, but I can buy 2 IS mechs for a single clan mech. We'll never get the balance we need in this game with such a discrepancy in cost to joining clan.

[Alistair Winter]

Because they come with a huge amount of weapons, upgrades and really expensive engines right out of the box. Inner Sphere mechs are mostly pretty crappy as stock mechs, and then you have to spend a lot of money on extra weapons, engines and upgrades.

[GenJack]

Because 'Lore' and their stuff works 'better'

>__<

Also what Alistair said... <.< >.>

[TheSilken]

But yet they cost $10 more per mech

[Grey Ghost]

They all have XL engines & double heatsinks.Most have either endosteel structure, ferro fibrous armor, or both.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Clan Mech are more expensive because they come WITH XL engines right off the bat, which is a serious increase in price, since Mech prices are calculated based on the components they come with. Add in that most Clan Mechs also include EndoSteel and/or FerroFibrous armor, ER lasers(the Clans have no non-ER lasers), and the OmniPods which have their own inherent price.

When you buy a Clan Mech, it's already got almost, if not all, of the possible upgrades you can make, and that reflects in the price. Take those IS Mechs that you could buy 2 of, with just 1 of them replace the engine with an XL, upgrade to ES/FF, upgrade to double heatsinks, etc, you'll find the price isn't that different from the Clan Mech price.

[GenJack]

Also they have case in every single part of the mech... >.< tasty tasty case.

[Mcgral18]

Clan Lights are cheaper.

Meds can go either way,

IS Heavies can be cheaper, depending on XL or STD builds.

IS Assaults are generally cheaper, due to STD engines.



Use a XL build on a IS robot, and you'll find they match, or even exceed the cost of Clan mechs when everything is said and done. There's the mandatory 1.5 mil of DHS and a couple hundred thousand from Endo.


STD engine Thuds are cheaper than XL engine Lokis. Large XL engine Lights are more expensive than small XL engine Clan lights.

[Wintersdark]

TheSilken, on 11 May 2015 - 11:25 AM, said:

But yet they cost $10 more per mech

Again, because they come fully upgraded. Compare the costs of stock IS mechs with XL engines and DHS vs. stock IS mechs without either.

IS mechs generally speaking aren't particularly cheaper, because until upgraded they're effectively useless.

The exception is some IS mediums, which are cheap and quite usable mostly-stock (at least, with standard engines), though you typically still need 1.5m for DHS and another ~300-500k for Endosteel, both of which are pretty much mandatory (some big assault builds not needing ES, but only rarely)

[waterfowl]

Clan mechs might look expensive, but it's an illusion.

When you buy a clan mech you get: loads of equipment, omnipods, an XL engine, DHS, endo, ferro.

You also get the ability to swap omnipods out and basically have an entire new mech. In other words, buy one clan mech, and you basically have every variant of it, barring some weird CTs. Compare that to IS ... if you want to go back and forth between missiles and AC20 and AC10 on your hunchy that's 3 different variants you have to buy, level, and upgrade.

Edited by waterfowl, 11 May 2015 - 11:57 AM.

[Xetelian]

I just blew 14,000,000 cbills getting my TDR firepower, Endo, DHS, new engine. Isn't that nearly as much as a madcat?

[DeathEagle]

Yeah pretty much - but T-Bolts are one of the best performing IS mechs out there.

[El Bandito]

A mech's C-Bill expense translates linearly to MC expense. 1 MC = around 2500 C-Bills. So MC-wise at least, it makes sense. In terms of packs, things get weird.

Eidelon, on 04 May 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

course that "expensive" xl engine in the IS mech can be used on numerous mechs and is not STUCK in one chassis. And most of the time you don't want to put that xl in an IS mech as you would just be asking for a ST kill.

Ah, but one only needs 1 omni-mech + omnipods from the other two to have multiple roles in it. You can sell other variants in many cases. Same cannot be said of Battlemechs, where each variant is unique in their own way. In a way, buying omni-mechs saves you mechbay slots.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 May 2016 - 05:12 PM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Its funny people still say this.

After you've spent the money for Endo/DHS, a larger engine (especially on XL) and weaponry, costs are pretty much the same at the end, and sometimes even more expensive than Clan total costs in quite a few cases.

Like the Raven-3L, totally decked out, with max engine, ferro+endo+DHS can cost up to 13,500,000 Cbills. You can almost buy a clan Assault or Heavy for that which is already decked out.

Edited by Mister D, 04 May 2016 - 06:36 PM.

[Lord0fHats]

Buying your first clan mechs can be pretty daunting. I suggest starting with the Artic Cheetah. They're not too pricey and they cost virtually nothing to upgrade after purchase (just get some omnipods swapped around, get some ECM torsos!). They're solid performers.

From there, you could get Hellbringers, Ebon Jags, or Timberwolves. All solid fun mechs. With a 3 heavies and 3 lights, you've got yourself a Drop deck for CW, with the ability to have some builds for different maps that you can swap in and out.

[Novawrecker]

All those XL engines, FF and/or Endo, and multitude of weapons dun come cheap, bishes

[Mcgral18]

DeathEagle, on 04 May 2016 - 05:02 PM, said:

Yeah pretty much - but T-Bolts are one of the best performing IS mechs out there.

[Triordinant]

[Chuck Jager]

There are some good IS cheap mechs but most folks fall for the IS trap - ie lights with std engines.

The $20 dollar packs are all decent deals as well as the the lights in the packs, but not really a cbill issue.

The TBR, Scarecrow, Hellbringer, EbonJ, JennerIIc and Cheetah are worth the cbills because you can get really good multiple builds and they can work when not Elited. Some really good IS mechs you have to buy at least one POS mech just to elite, and elited mechs are more important as you move up in tiers (yes there are exceptions, but big picture)

More important than the pricetag is the value of the mech for general META or your playstyle. Not all mechs are equal, and their in game performance difference is greater than their cbill expense.

[Requiemking]

Terrific, here I come to see what was on this thread and what do I find? More people indirectly saying "Go Cheetah or go home". Seriously, the other Clan lights can be just as worthwhile using as the Cheetah or the Jenner. Both the Adder and the Kit Fox are better at long-range support than either of the two speed demons, and the Mist Lynx is the cheapest Clan mech, the smallest clan mech, and can also fit a wide variety of roles. Yes, they have their issues, but so do the Metamechs. Mist Lynx's firepower is in it's arms, but you know what? All but two of the non-MC Arctic Cheetah variants suffer from the same problem. What's more, the Cheetah is the tallest Clan light in the game, meaning that you are easier to spot when ridge sniping.