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[Danjo San]

slide, on 29 May 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

@ Danjo San

Unit size is completely irrelevant to success in FW. Most units have at best 10% of their players actually active in FW.

May very well be so, and if so would it really hurt to "downsize" in terms of sub units? A Community is more than a tag!
I remember when I started with MWO there was no CW, there were no Tags, and yet Communities existed. Then at somepoint tags were introduced, you could form and represent your unit. Back then we shared a Teamspeak Server with a Steiner Loyalist Unit, a Davion Loyalist Unit and us... Liao Loyalists. I have made more than over a 100 friends back then with most of who I still communicate with today. After this TS-Server had to shut down we moved to another Server, sharing with another Davion Unit. From there we moved to a different Server where we are guests of a merc unit. we are very happy here and conduct events together, drop together, train together, fight each other etc. the same goes for anyone from the prior servers we have resided on or shared our space with. Why am I saying this? BECAUSE PEOPLE CONFUSE FRIENDSHIP WITH UNIT!
Just because you have different tags does not mean you cannot be friends and drop and organize together. Just because you have different Faction allegiance does not mean you cant be friends. and yet. Everytime someone says cap the large units. The response is "Why are you forcing units to break up friendships?" ... Seriously. I have enduring friendships and communities I can visit despite of leading a small unit. my reach goes beyond liao to all factions ... we still can organise and drop together. can we please stop pretending that if you cant wear the same tag you cant be friends?

[N0MAD]

MischiefSC, on 30 May 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

I argue a lot on the forums and am not a big fan of just letting someone spout something that's demonstratively wrong. If it's an argument of opinions I'll endeavor to argue my opinion as effectively as possible.

However when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'll cop to this one. You were right - the idea of CW was awesome. The concepts, as pitched originally, would have been a lot of fun. PGI has failed to deliver as you predicted and has now compounded that failure with just giving up. Ironically that's probably better than continuing to promise something that they will, in turn, fail to deliver as well.

On the topic of CW though time proved you were right and I was wrong. I think it's fair to say that.

Unfortunately brother i take no pleasure in being right, believe it or not im a huge MW fan have been for 20 years, will leave it at that.
I still believe that this can be salvaged, chat lobies can bring the community together as a social meeting grounds, and game lobies added can and will improve the fun factor and allow 3rd party leagues to flourish they did in all other MW titles.
The other MW games while ok were not the best games but they did have the tools that allowed the community to come together and flourish for decades.
A zone type setup would benefit this game more than anything PGI is capable of giving us.
This would allow PGI to JUST concentrate on balancing (XML changes, hitbox adjustments) making//fixing maps and mechs.
While PGI refuses to make tools to let the community commune, i cant see the population expanding to a viable number.

[Carl Vickers]

MechPorn, on 30 May 2016 - 02:06 PM, said:

Well if you want to point out flaws, exploits and disappointments in the system of CW...

• How about when -MS- used their admiral accounts to exploit the system, ruin games for pugs and increase their coffers.

• How about when -MS- switches to a faction to unbalance the map.

• How about when -MS- switches to a faction so they don't have to face a competitive team (I know, I know, you put it up to a vote in your unit and they choose to run away).

• How about when -MS- was telling us that they only have two teams going at a time and it doesn't hurt the game...though they have recorded 29,272 FP matches this season.

• How about when -MS- tells us that they will do anything to win: exploiting the rules for their own benfit.

• How about when -MS- tells us that they don't care about the community, only their unit.

As a large unit, you have some responsibility to the community to help the system grow, make the game better and increase the enjoyment level of it all. It appears a lot of the time that -MS- is in direct opposition to it.

Wow dude, did MS touch you somewhere?

Got any valid proof of the above goings on?

Need to be careful in case you cop a holiday for naming and shaming.

[Armando]

MechPorn, on 30 May 2016 - 02:06 PM, said:

Well if you want to point out flaws, exploits and disappointments in the system of CW...

• How about when -MS- used their admiral accounts to exploit the system, ruin games for pugs and increase their coffers.

• How about when -MS- switches to a faction to unbalance the map.

• How about when -MS- switches to a faction so they don't have to face a competitive team (I know, I know, you put it up to a vote in your unit and they choose to run away).

• How about when -MS- was telling us that they only have two teams going at a time and it doesn't hurt the game...though they have recorded 29,272 FP matches this season.

• How about when -MS- tells us that they will do anything to win: exploiting the rules for their own benfit.

• How about when -MS- tells us that they don't care about the community, only their unit.

As a large unit, you have some responsibility to the community to help the system grow, make the game better and increase the enjoyment level of it all. It appears a lot of the time that -MS- is in direct opposition to it.

Bullet 1: "How about when -MS- used their admiral accounts to exploit the system, ruin games for pugs and increase their coffers."

What you are saying is....not only can you not be successful against -MS- when they play on their 'main' accounts....but you are now saying that you are also unable to be successful against -MS- when they play on the trail 'alt' accounts.

Between you and me; I wouldn't let that get out.

Bullet 2 & 3: "How about when -MS- switches to a faction to unbalance the map." & "How about when -MS- switches to a faction so they don't have to face a competitive team (I know, I know, you put it up to a vote in your unit and they choose to run away)."

Yes, -MS- changes Factions just about once a week ('sometimes' we will spend 2 weeks in one faction, but it is the exception more than the norm). If you want to ONLY play IS mech, or ONLY play Clan mechs...so be it. WE are going to play on all the mechs we purchased with IRL Dollars.

Bullet 4: "How about when -MS- was telling us that they only have two teams going at a time and it doesn't hurt the game...though they have recorded 29,272 FP matches this season."

12 players = 2.5 drops per hour; x24 hours = 60 drops per day per 12 man; x2 (12 mans) = 120 drops per day; x3 (12 mans) = 180 drops per day. Of course none of this takes into account how many scouting matches are played too.

To put this another way....if -MS- played as many matches per person per day as a -KCom- that 27K+ number would be more like 50K+...be happy -MS- isn't as active as -KCom- / -EVIL-.

Bullet 5: "How about when -MS- tells us that they will do anything to win: exploiting the rules for their own befit."

There is a serious and major difference between "We play to win the game", and the bull-shi@t you just spewed. We take the mechs load outs that work, we use strats and tactics that work, we focus fire....you know, those thing you DON'T do (PLAY AS A TEAM, WITH MY TEAM).

Bullet 6: "How about when -MS- tells us that they don't care about the community, only their unit."

Perhaps you missed the -MS- fundraiser for Multiple Sclerosis, or the other many community events hosted by -MS-....sorry tell us again what you and your unit has done? How many community events have you sponsored, what community / humanitarian causes have you and your unit hosted in game events to support again?

You keep telling us what life looks like from outside the gates to the kingdom, we have tried to give you the keys (teamwork), but you keep tossing them away (dropping solo)...you have no one to blame but yourself.

Edited by Armando, 30 May 2016 - 10:07 PM.

[Joey Tankblaster]

These accusations are a bit too much.

But wait, what happenend last year. Does anyone remember the MS-pushing-planets-with-alternate-accounts-drama?

The internet never forgets ...

https://www.reddit.c...cstar_cheating/

https://www.reddit.c...ost_from_rmwo/?

[MischiefSC]

Joey Tankblaster, on 31 May 2016 - 01:48 AM, said:

These accusations are a bit too much.

But wait, what happenend last year. Does anyone remember the MS-pushing-planets-with-alternate-accounts-drama?

The internet never forgets ...

https://www.reddit.c...cstar_cheating/

https://www.reddit.c...ost_from_rmwo/?

Oh. Snap!

I'd forgotten about that. Pretty crappy thing to do.

However in all of that there is one grand, magical gem that deserves quoting:

Quote

CW- so low in population that now even the actual players have to farm themselves to go sealclubbing.

[B0oN]

Joey Tankblaster, on 31 May 2016 - 01:48 AM, said:

These accusations are a bit too much.

But wait, what happenend last year. Does anyone remember the MS-pushing-planets-with-alternate-accounts-drama?

The internet never forgets ...

https://www.reddit.c...cstar_cheating/

https://www.reddit.c...ost_from_rmwo/?

Devil´s advocate or gleeful accuser ?

Interesting read, but instantly dismissed it, since /r = cesspit .
If true, then disappointing .
If just an all to easily fabricated attempt at pissing on MS, welp ... try again ?

As co-founder of the 77th Grey Guards of MS I can tell you this much : if I found out any single one of my guys was doing something along the insinuated lines of action or any other unsportsman-like action like cheating, hacking, DDOS´ing TS´s, scouting enemy TS in disguise, afking alts to farm, etc., pipapo, yadda-yadda, I´d have him publicly shamed, right here and to hell with any moderator that would try to stop it (to hell with them mainly because I would try to get permission to name and shame) .

Still funny seeing so many people forumwarrioring harder than playing MWO .
Might account for the hilariously empty queues in CW and some unit´s preference of quickplay .

[ccrider]

Holy **** people, that Reddit thread was the dumbest thing ever. As someone who's played with MS a few times and against a WHOLE lot of times, in all my matches I've never seen anything that would cause me to believe that story even for a second. Can we let it go, already? I'm not a member of MS, my unit is not affiliated with them, but even with that said, I'm getting irritated with the MS witch hunt. As a community we've already chased away NKVA, do we need to kill another unit and crap all over population again? Hell, after MS, do we just work our way down the top 10 list of mercs and chase all of them away? I like signing contracts opposite of MS; I know we'll get matches because their active and the matches are fought hard but there's always respect shown. Sure, MS beats us more than we beat them but that doesn't mean we cry about it. We just queue up and try again. Big active units help keep FP alive, let's stop attempting to turn FP into solo queue and inflict 4 drop solo derp on the world.

[StUffz]

Rad Hanzo, on 31 May 2016 - 04:31 AM, said:

Devil´s advocate or gleeful accuser ?

Interesting read, but instantly dismissed it, since /r = cesspit .
If true, then disappointing .
If just an all to easily fabricated attempt at pissing on MS, welp ... try again ?

As co-founder of the 77th Grey Guards of MS I can tell you this much : if I found out any single one of my guys was doing something along the insinuated lines of action or any other unsportsman-like action like cheating, hacking, DDOS´ing TS´s, scouting enemy TS in disguise, afking alts to farm, etc., pipapo, yadda-yadda, I´d have him publicly shamed, right here and to hell with any moderator that would try to stop it (to hell with them mainly because I would try to get permission to name and shame) .

Still funny seeing so many people forumwarrioring harder than playing MWO .
Might account for the hilariously empty queues in CW and some unit´s preference of quickplay .

I won't go far into this, but one Player Name posted on reddit is a Name I remember quite good, because he was trolling Steiner Forums, why - December during season Holidays - nobody was defending Steiner planet. I won't go into this matter any further but it gives me a deviilish smile to see that Name on the list because i think he was a member of the forsaken that time.

[Big Bertha 00]

It's cool to be able to choose where to attack/defend, but unless player population increases in FW, maybe a pre-determined attack lane should be considered. One option: You choose where to attack and that starts a 10 minute timer, after that, you go into match making for FW.

[MischiefSC]

Rad Hanzo, on 31 May 2016 - 04:31 AM, said:

Devil´s advocate or gleeful accuser ?

Interesting read, but instantly dismissed it, since /r = cesspit .
If true, then disappointing .
If just an all to easily fabricated attempt at pissing on MS, welp ... try again ?

As co-founder of the 77th Grey Guards of MS I can tell you this much : if I found out any single one of my guys was doing something along the insinuated lines of action or any other unsportsman-like action like cheating, hacking, DDOS´ing TS´s, scouting enemy TS in disguise, afking alts to farm, etc., pipapo, yadda-yadda, I´d have him publicly shamed, right here and to hell with any moderator that would try to stop it (to hell with them mainly because I would try to get permission to name and shame) .

Still funny seeing so many people forumwarrioring harder than playing MWO .
Might account for the hilariously empty queues in CW and some unit´s preference of quickplay .

I really mean it when I say Forum Warfare is the best developed, best balanced and most feature complete PvP environment PGI has ever developed.

While I don't have a lot of luck with a "reddit shitpost" deck some people run them alright. Just so hard to pug with - you need to drop that deck in a premade with a bunch of Questionable Rumors and Strawman Spam. Honestly no Reddit deck can really play well on its own.

I typically pug (nobody has really been able to sync drop a team in Forum Warfare like NKVA. They set the gold standard) so I run Humor, Rant, Humor, Sarcasm. Runs good in almost any thread or topic. If it's mech balance or ISvClan I'll go Contempt, Facts, Facts, Humor and trust that someone else on the team will bring enough Sarcasm to cover me on the first few posts. Those tend to draw out into a slugging match so you need to show up heavy and put as many scrubs down in the first 3 drops as you can.

It's a better game than MWO. More consistent drops, better balanced matches, more deck variety.

Edited by MischiefSC, 31 May 2016 - 12:46 PM.

[Joey Tankblaster]

Haha. Laughed my *** off.

Good one Mischief.

No intention to witch hunt MS here but just a reminder that nobody has a clean record.

[Kinski Orlawisch]

CW is getting down. You can t get games outside the primetimes.

[B0oN]

Joey Tankblaster, on 31 May 2016 - 10:38 PM, said:

No intention to witch hunt MS here but just a reminder that nobody has a clean record.

Wrong .
Mine is .
Eeeener, meener

[MischiefSC]

Here's a fun one.

Go to the Command Chair sub forum.

Go to page 3 and start reading backwards.

Compare that communication to now, that attitude about the game to now. How PGI worked and interacted compared to now.

Read all the comment threads they link to. Every few pages. Look at the dev responses in them, look at what the players said.

Look at what people wanted and expected Clans to be, what they wanted and expected CW to be, how PGI talked about it.

Yeah.

Then go watch the Red Wedding episode to cheer yourself up.