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[Fire for Effect]

Engine cannot run natively in linux (in other words without emulation)

cryengine 3 is only supporting windows and the major consoles (currently)

[Lightdragon]

ive said it once and ill say it again, why waste time and resources on the .05% of the players that use macs/linux boxes when they can just as easily use emulation

[Pht]

If the game runs on dx9 I suspect that the 'linux guys can get it working in wine.

Just give them some time...

[xtort]

I've got the launcher running under wine. Start with a fresh wineprefix and the latest wine- 1.5.10. Allow winetricks to install mono and whatever else it wants to install. Then use winetricks to install d3dx10. Hopefully this will keep running...

[xtort]

Everything is cool, including the opening sequences until it comes time to login. Hit login, and nothing happens. I wonder if its trying to use a certain library for TCP stuff...

[Dymitry]

Jaroth Winson, on 17 November 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

We are not sure if the game will run in WINE. However there is always the VirtualBox option. Providing you have a decent enough rig, you can simply create a Virtual Windows PC, asssign a good bit of RAM to it & run any Windows installation you wish.

I am currently dual booted with Windows 7/ Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop & though I have never run VirtualBox on it, I have done so on my netbook which only has Ubuntu 11.10 on it. I installed Windows XP & it ran like a dream.

(Although I must tell you that at that time, I did not install any games, but all other programs, built-in as well as well as third party, worked flawlessly.)

3d intensive games won't work well/at all into a vm. I remember vmware had better graphics drivers than virtualbox, but still far from being useful to the purpose. Wine is the best option, if viable.

[BlackAbbot]

As I said before. Watch this spice. Also, this topic probably went Beta Forum a few posts back.

Edited by BlackAbbot, 04 August 2012 - 03:42 PM.

[Exilyth]

verybad, on 14 November 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

... it's expensive to devlop for Direct X and Open Gl.

That's the reason you're usually programming openGL only when going for a cross platfrom approach.

verybad, on 12 December 2011 - 12:44 PM, said:

In graphics, DirectX games look better than OpenGL in the PC (This may not be true on consoles, but it's not going to be a console game)

Here's a list of programs that use OpenGL, among them titles like the quake series and tools like google earth and blender.
Are you really saying games like Cube2 or torcs look bad?

Edited by Exilyth, 04 August 2012 - 04:52 PM.

[Mylar]

Steam is moving towards Linux support to dodge win8.

I'm pretty sure MWO will end up on Steam.

Gabe wants the entire Steam library to work on it's linux client, a lot of them will be through something like VMs or wine, but steam will likely handle that on the backend so that it is seamless to the users.

[Riin Suul]

why would they waste money and resources porting the game to an OS with such a TINY market share?
also - which version of linux? because I bet there are 20 different versions that people would want a client for.
making it run with WINE would make some sense, but any farther than that would be a waste of development $$ IMO

[BlackAbbot]

Riin Suul, on 10 August 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

why would they waste money and resources porting the game to an OS with such a TINY market share?
also - which version of linux? because I bet there are 20 different versions that people would want a client for.
making it run with WINE would make some sense, but any farther than that would be a waste of development $$ IMO

There is only one version of linux. There are many different distros. This is not the same thing as different OSes. It's like the difference between Windows Home and Windows Pro or in a lot of cases Windows with a blue desktop background and Windows with a Green desktop background.

Ignorance aside, regardless of portability issues and regardless of if MWO goes to Steam, it will not get a native Linux or Mac client due to the licencing agreement between Smith & Tinker and Microsoft only allowing for content on Microsoft platforms. The post isn't on the Smith & Tinker website any more, but Jordan went into this when he first licensed the old FASA properties back.

[Mylar]

I'm sure the vast majority of games on steam will never have a native linux client. Just like the vast majority of games from GOG do not actually get rebuilt for modern machines.

GOG just distributes them with dosbox.
Steam will just preconfigure wine profiles to start the games.

Edit to remove slip of the keyboard....

Edited by Mylar, 14 August 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[Lightdragon]

linux and osx are worthless for gaming anyways just go out and pick up a copy of windows and stop your ********

[Dymitry]

Lightdragon, on 14 August 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

linux and osx are worthless for gaming anyways just go out and pick up a copy of windows and stop your ********

There you have a very helpful, knowledgeable and insightful comment. Games that are ported to linux works just as well if not better than in windows. Have a google, first things coming up are the likes of http://www.phoronix...._win7_ogl&num=2

[Lightdragon]

only if they are ported and that is a massive waste of money for the .02% of the population that might use linux in this forum

[Dymitry]

Lightdragon, on 14 August 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

only if they are ported and that is a massive waste of money for the .02% of the population that might use linux in this forum

Can you show me data? As in % of users that would prefer/use a linux (eventually osx) client and an idea of what a conversion costs. I am genuinely interested, as I could never found any infos.

Edited by Dymitry, 14 August 2012 - 01:39 PM.

[Lightdragon]

want a stat? start a topic and take a tally... you probably wont get more than 30 responses linux is only used for gaming by those who are too cheap or too poor to get windows or for those who arent smart enough to torrent a copy (yea you heard me microsoft **** off)

[Dymitry]

Lightdragon, on 14 August 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

want a stat? start a topic and take a tally... you probably wont get more than 30 responses linux is only used for gaming by those who are too cheap or too poor to get windows or for those who arent smart enough to torrent a copy (yea you heard me microsoft **** off).

I am quite sure that 99% of whoever uses a linux is capable of finding a torrent. There are many many why one would not use windows, personal/professional choice or more. However you want to see it, from a legal standpoint using pirated software is akin to stealing - actually worst in several countries. There are also security related issues and so on.
Your "too cheap too poor" argument is, pardon me, silly. Linux is mostly used at a personal level by enthusiasts and generally people who are very much computer literate. Also bear in mind that everyone buying a new pc will have a windows copy. Try and ask for a refund if you want some fun. MS with its god-awful embedded versions of win has got a stronghold on emerging economies. Nothing new, watch the likes of Nestle' and its powered baby milk in africa, and coca cola etc.
Anyway I am straying from the subject. My opinion on the subject is:
-step one: first and foremost, develop a great game.
-step two: help wine integration.
-step three: full client, linux, macos, ios, amiga os, android, unix, free bsd, ms dos, whatever, the more, the merrier.

[Lightdragon]

oh and btw dymitry... if the stats are shown properly... and this isnt even at max resolution in those tests... WINDOWS BEATS LINUX

Dymitry, on 14 August 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

I am quite sure that 99% of whoever uses a linux is capable of finding a torrent. There are many many why one would not use windows, personal/professional choice or more. However you want to see it, from a legal standpoint using pirated software is akin to stealing - actually worst in several countries. There are also security related issues and so on.
Your "too cheap too poor" argument is, pardon me, silly. Linux is mostly used at a personal level by enthusiasts and generally people who are very much computer literate. Also bear in mind that everyone buying a new pc will have a windows copy. Try and ask for a refund if you want some fun. MS with its god-awful embedded versions of win has got a stronghold on emerging economies. Nothing new, watch the likes of Nestle' and its powered baby milk in africa, and coca cola etc.
Anyway I am straying from the subject. My opinion on the subject is:
-step one: first and foremost, develop a great game.
-step two: help wine integration.
-step three: full client, linux, macos, ios, amiga os, android, unix, free bsd, ms dos, whatever, the more, the merrier.

and yet this game was hard coded to run on directx not opengl not to mention the better graphical qualities of dx11 over the latter simple choice,... learn to make it run like **** on wine or buy windows dont ask pgi to waste time and effort making a port for the very low percentage of players that dont use windows oh and as for that pirating is stealing comment... any company that makes that much money doesnt need any help from my wallet so i dont see it as stealing i see it as liberating my wallet from corporate greed stop buying into the downloading is stealing propoganda the only ones that benefit from the lack of pirating are the big companies that slap their label on something the producers worked hard to create the producers sure as hell dont see a dime of that profit

Edited by Lightdragon, 14 August 2012 - 02:37 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

The main thing to consider here are graphics quality and engine compatibility. There are already a number of high graphics detail, easy to use game engines (Such as CryENGINE 3) which are programmed to run in the DirectX run-time, which is a Microsoft-only IP. As such, there isn't any way to make a game running such an engine in an Open GL environment without the engine developer programming for such an OS.

Furthermore, DirectX is currently superior to Open GL in terms of graphical effect controls, such as active lighting.
For an idea of what DirectX 11 + CryENGINE 3 does, you get this;



I honestly don't know of any Open GL game engine which is readily available with graphics on this level.

The reason why there isn't a distribution for linux boils down to a business decision; given how the majority of users whom are gaming are running a windows-based platform, the game engine is developed with Windows and microsoft IP in mind, maximizing sales while minimizing labor required.