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[Solid Alexei]

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Edited by Solid Alexei, 12 October 2016 - 01:53 PM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Solid Alexei, on 06 July 2016 - 02:11 AM, said:

Wow the guys at Gambody have updated the Catapult model with new geometry and swappable weapons!! New articulation have been moded in too! This gotta be the best 3D printed MWO model out there!
http://www.gambody.c...rior-model-kits

Wait... They're selling them? Is that legal? I mean, i'm pretty sure even PGI doesn't have the rights to sell them

[Muddflap]

Details are amazing.

You were asking about glass. Many many moons ago, between paydays, I started messing about with models and figurines. I found one of the most versatile effects creator was water based Elmer's glue.

Thicken with some flour and mud colored paint and you could clump it for nice effect. Thinned with water you could make a sheen on something.

I like the Catapult the way you made it and think it looks great. But you did ask. Hope you find it useful.

[Tank]

This Cat just blew my mind! Awesome job!

[p4r4g0n]

Juodas Varnas, on 06 July 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

Wait... They're selling them? Is that legal? I mean, i'm pretty sure even PGI doesn't have the rights to sell them

Just the files that you use to print it out on your 3D printer if you have one. Curious about what PGI would have to say about someone selling them though.

[Solid Alexei]

Muddflap, on 06 July 2016 - 03:48 AM, said:

Details are amazing.

You were asking about glass. Many many moons ago, between paydays, I started messing about with models and figurines. I found one of the most versatile effects creator was water based Elmer's glue.

Thicken with some flour and mud colored paint and you could clump it for nice effect. Thinned with water you could make a sheen on something.

I like the Catapult the way you made it and think it looks great. But you did ask. Hope you find it useful.

p4r4g0n, on 06 July 2016 - 04:04 AM, said:

Thank you very much! I appreciate the tip on your technique! Might have to check it out soon haha

Just the files that you use to print it out on your 3D printer if you have one. Curious about what PGI would have to say about someone selling them though.

I think technically their Catapult differs from current MWO model so it is not 1:1 steal. I dont know any particular legal rules but if you remake something but take creative freedom with source material and change it, technically it becomes fanart or "inspired by".. I dont know. I am just happy someone did sell that model so I could get my hands on it haha

[Lily from animove]

Solid Alexei, on 06 July 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:

I think technically their Catapult differs from current MWO model so it is not 1:1 steal. I dont know any particular legal rules but if you remake something but take creative freedom with source material and change it, technically it becomes fanart or "inspired by".. I dont know. I am just happy someone did sell that model so I could get my hands on it haha

question is also if they would care, PGI may still have the design rights, yte they have no roghts about selling toys, so at this point PGI isn't losing anything since they cannot make toys of their own. However they probably may benefit from it due to crossadvertising.

[Solid Alexei]

Lily from animove, on 06 July 2016 - 04:37 AM, said:

. However they probably may benefit from it due to crossadvertising.

very very true

a couple of news articles about the model:
http://3dprintingind...3d-model-84252/

http://www.3ders.org...r-catapult.html

Edited by Solid Alexei, 06 July 2016 - 06:24 AM.

[Mighty Spike]

That K2 with gun pack3 iam sure iam going to dream of that Baby tonight Woooooooww

[Lily from animove]

Solid Alexei, on 06 July 2016 - 06:24 AM, said:

very very true

a couple of news articles about the model:
http://3dprintingind...3d-model-84252/

http://www.3ders.org...r-catapult.html

I need a NVA with various wepaons that I can magnetize with neodyn magnets

[Strattus]

Great work on the model! Great detail, and you can definitely tell that some time has been invested in the damage detail. Wouldn't mind having one of these myself.... if I wasn't so lazy!!!

[Solid Alexei]

Haha thanks a lot guys! I am so tempted to reprint a new one with K2 variant wewponry! but I am too lazy to face painting it up again haha

[Heffay]

Solid Alexei, do you have some sort of relationship with Gambody?

Lily from animove, on 06 July 2016 - 04:37 AM, said:

question is also if they would care, PGI may still have the design rights, yte they have no roghts about selling toys, so at this point PGI isn't losing anything since they cannot make toys of their own. However they probably may benefit from it due to crossadvertising.

That's not quite how copyright laws work. There's a set of 4 tests that need to be applied. One is "is there a financial gain" (in this case there is), and another is material similarity (pretty obvious considering they use the words "Mechwarrior" and "Catapult" and... well just look at the model).

And even the argument that they aren't competing with something that PGI is currently making doesn't hold water, as in the event that PGI does get the rights to make physical mechs from Topps, then these people would be in direct competition and have diluted the marketplace.

There is a pretty vague line about copyright infringement that only lawyers seem to be able to find, but this one seems to be crossing a lot of those lines.

[p4r4g0n]

Heffay, on 06 July 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

Solid Alexei, do you have some sort of relationship with Gambody?



That's not quite how copyright laws work. There's a set of 4 tests that need to be applied. One is "is there a financial gain" (in this case there is), and another is material similarity (pretty obvious considering they use the words "Mechwarrior" and "Catapult" and... well just look at the model).

And even the argument that they aren't competing with something that PGI is currently making doesn't hold water, as in the event that PGI does get the rights to make physical mechs from Topps, then these people would be in direct competition and have diluted the marketplace.

There is a pretty vague line about copyright infringement that only lawyers seem to be able to find, but this one seems to be crossing a lot of those lines.

Even if PGI never gets into making and selling physical mech models, they would appear to own the the right to license their art / models to whoever has a licence to do so. Unless I am sorely mistaken, there is probably just such a licensing arrangement with Hare Brained Games for the use of PGI art in the game HBG is developing.

[Heffay]

p4r4g0n, on 06 July 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

Even if PGI never gets into making and selling physical mech models, they would appear to own the the right to license their art / models to whoever has a licence to do so. Unless I am sorely mistaken, there is probably just such a licensing arrangement with Hare Brained Games for the use of PGI art in the game HBG is developing.

That is correct, but that has nothing to do with this company selling the IP to print up models. I really doubt PGI gave them a license to do that, and I really doubt doing that without a license is going to fly legally.

HBS does have a license to use PGI's models. Gambody? We will see I guess. Maybe they do, but since they never mention PGI or Microsoft anywhere on their store... /shrug

[Solid Alexei]

Heffay, on 06 July 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

Solid Alexei, do you have some sort of relationship with Gambody?

You could say that. I saw the Catapult model on their website and got in touch with them about a possibility of making swapable weapon packs for it. I have been advise them on that since as well as articulation and general MechWarrior info.

[Solid Alexei]

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Edited by Solid Alexei, 12 October 2016 - 01:54 PM.

[zudukai]

after reading about PGI's debacle over the recent 3d printed locust, i am dumbfounded that this is truly this much of an issue for PGI, Sorry Solid Alexei for the way this played out but PGI NEEDS to learn the lesson here.

like i said on reddit, why is PGI not selling these already, when they work this hard to ban and mitigate everyone's access to the models.
how can they justify complaining about a lack of money when boatloads of whales would sell a kidney for a set of models in this scale or in a "large" format.

so what really is the damn issue, are they worried about the Phoenix mechs? exclude them FFS! out of the 100 or so chassis i think they have enough models to make a huge stable of products to support them even without the contentious chassis.

Edited by zudukai, 04 November 2016 - 08:03 AM.

[Heffay]

As has been said many times, PGI does not have the rights to sell models.

PGI has been INCREDIBLY supportive of the fan art community. They even call out particularly good print and paint jobs done by the community. Nobody else who has printed them has ever run into any troubles. However, there is a very clear line that can't be crossed, and that's what happened here.

zudukai, on 04 November 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

when they work this hard to ban and mitigate everyone's access to the models.

Nobody else has been banned. PGI hasn't locked down the models.

[TKSax]

Yea really sucks using someone else's artwork to make money...