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[YueFei]

Mister Blastman, on 22 May 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

You don't quite comprehend what I'm saying and that's okay, seems to be a prevalent problem these days.

Winning at video games isn't the same as winning at life--winning at video games won't make you successful and definitely won't compensate for being a loser in the real world... HOWEVER

Winning is a natural thing. Winning is what life is all about. Winning is the cure to survival.

If you can't separate my first point from my second one then I see why you might be unable to grasp what I'm saying. You can absolutely correlate the second point with videogames while absolutely separating it from "winning videogames compensates for being a real world loser."

To know you are bad can only occur once you accept it and for many, they must feel shame and dishonor before the Dunning Kruger syndrome is broken.

EXACTLY, that's why teachers in schools don't actually try to convey knowledge or skills to their students, they just present the problem and berate the students for being total losers and imbeciles when they fail to solve the problem, and tell them they are worthless failures who should slit their own wrists and quit the game of life.

Get over yourself.

Edited by YueFei, 22 May 2016 - 12:39 PM.

[Mister Blastman]

Raso, on 22 May 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

Natural law?
It is not your job to chase them away and cull the herd. By all rights such behavior should be prohibited by the official code of conduct.

That's rich. I stopped there. "Being competitive should be against the code of conduct."

HAH!

ggclose Sir.

YueFei, on 22 May 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

EXACTLY, that's why teachers in schools don't actually try to convey knowledge or skills to their students, they just present the problem and berate the students for being total losers and imbeciles when they fail to solve the problem, and tell them they are worthless failures who should slit their own wrists and quit the game of life.

Get over yourself.

I'm not a teacher. I'm a robot with a gun. My job is a simple one--to put holes in other robits.

Nice false argument but whatever, I've seen plenty of those.

[Ghogiel]

Telling scrubs they suck is now cruel and immoral? So it's just like racism and biogtry? lmao

[Raso]

Mister Blastman, on 22 May 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

That's rich. I stopped there. "Being competitive should be against the code of conduct."

HAH!

ggclose Sir.



I'm not a teacher. I'm a robot with a gun. My job is a simple one--to put holes in other robits.

Nice false argument but whatever, I've seen plenty of those.

No the fact that you have detached having sportsmanship from being competitive is the core of your problem. You don't want a vibrant and growing community you want a one where you're allowed to dictate who is and isn't allowed to enjoy the game and how rhey enjoy the game.

The fact of the matter, though, is that you're right. It's not your job to teach and guide "lesser" players. But it's also not your job to police the player base and chase away players YOU don't approve of.

Look I'm not saying you're a sociopath. I'm just saying that your comments and attitude imply you are.

[Mister Blastman]

Raso, on 22 May 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

No the fact that you have detached having sportsmanship from being competitive is the core of your problem. You don't want a vibrant and growing community you want a one where you're allowed to dictate who is and isn't allowed to enjoy the game and how rhey enjoy the game.

The fact of the matter, though, is that you're right. It's not your job to teach and guide "lesser" players. But it's also not your job to police the player base and chase away players YOU don't approve of.

Look I'm not saying you're a sociopath. I'm just saying that your comments and attitude imply you are.

Police the player base? Dictate who can and can not enjoy the game?

Please.

Telling someone to "git gud" is not dictating nor policing. It is expressing an opinion, telling them how I feel.

If you can't separate the difference between opinion and passing dictatorial law then perhaps you shouldn't be participating on the forums. They are two different things, entirely.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 22 May 2016 - 01:07 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

"Git gud" is appropriately used when the person who filed a public complaint willingly refuses to acknowledge that the problems he's facing are due to a lack of skill or understanding of the mechanics of the game and not the result of something being broken.

Exhibit A of that personality type is the pilot of the KGC in that now-classic "Salty A$$ Puglord" video.

Exhibits B-Z would be everybody who still thinks JR7-IIC, ACH, and FS9 are broken.

[BGrey]

Raso, on 22 May 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

As I've already stated if you can't tell the difference between cruelty and immorality and reprehending someone who is being cruel or immoral you probably are too stupid to be taught the difference.

TIL that if you don't call people basement dwelling sociopaths with no lives then you are stupid. I don't care how right you think someone is on an issue, nothing justifies behaving in the same way as the people you take issue with. THAT is stupid.

[Johnny Z]

I'm so glad I didn't rely in this topic. Oh wait.

[vibrant]

Aresye, on 21 May 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

The casual, "I play for fun," mentality just baffles me.

They downloaded a PvP game. They likely SPENT MONEY on assets within this PvP game. How in the ever living &^$% are players butthurt over the competitive nature of PvP?

A lot of players don't truly understand just how team oriented this game is, or how important their single mech is. They may not have the mechanical or piloting skills down, and could be the biggest noobs in the entire game, but as long as they stick with the team, they're already more effective than the vast majority of "casual" players out there.

I'd even say the level of teamwork dwarfs CS:GO. A good CS:GO player can clutch a 1v5 situation with good aim and timing, and it happens more regularly than you'd think. In MWO however, if you're the last guy against 5 enemies, I don't care how good you are, you aren't winning that fight, unless by some miracle every single enemy is literally 1 shot away from death, and even then, it's freaking hard as hell to pull off.

Considering there's no single player or free-for-all type modes in this game, there is no excuse to be a, "Ima do what I want," player, and if you are, you deserve every single "git gud" comment that comes your way, because you really should git gud. You're dragging your entire team down.

There seem to be two unrelated points you're making - you don't know how people just play for fun, and you don't know how people can be butthurt over the competitive nature of PVP.

I personally play for fun... I have some spare hours in my life, I jump on MWO to blow up some mechs. I run crazy builds because I enjoy seeing how I can make them perform. Sometimes I boat LRMs, even on my little jenner IIC. Someone was laughing in another thread at how I had 4 MGs on my Kodiak - I had a ton or two to spare, was happy with my large lasers, so threw'em on to see what 4 MGs could do.

Yes, it's a competitive game... and yes I don't intentionally go out to get myself killed and be a detriment to my team. However, why is winning a video game match, which has absolutely no impact on you, on the world, on anything except a little digital win:loss record that no one in the rest of the world gives a single damn about... why is winning as many matches as possible so damn important? I try to win, sure. If I don't, that's cool. Mostly, I'm in the game to shoot lasers and missiles and watch mechs explode. If you'd like any point clarified, please to ask... but stating you don't understand why people would want to play for fun, baffles me

Regarding the competitive nature of PVP, sure. Anyone playing a PVP game has to realize that they have limited impact on their own enjoyment. There are douches everywhere who would willingly teabag you given a chance. The only way to play for fun, I find, is to be the bigger man. Thank the enemy on close matches, when you get owned properly congratulate them on their good teamwork and play... and be a gracious victor. When my team stomps the enemy, I don't write in chat "GG" tauntingly when it really wasn't a good game at all. If we all kicked back a little bit and were respectful, appreciative, and not so damn invested... perhaps more people would willingly contribute. Not to mention, the userbase might actually grow in an environment that fosters new players experimenting and learning.

Edited by vibrant, 22 May 2016 - 01:44 PM.

[vibrant]

Mister Blastman, on 22 May 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

Winning is not a pathological problem. Winning is an essential ingredient of life. Winning is in our DNA. The trees, plants, animals, insects, bacteria, fungi--every living thing you see around you is there because they won.

Winning is the essence of life. Those that lose go extinct. Winners prevail.

Winning is not a disease, winning is the cure.

There absolutely should be situations where bad players are excluded. I remember being benched in little league because other players were better than me. Did I complain about it? Did I shout, "no fair!"

No.

I realized that I sucked and it was up to me alone to correct the problem by becoming a better player.

You do realize there's a difference between survival and success in life... and... I can't even say this with a straight face... winning in a video game, right? People play video games in their spare time... when they're taking a break from... you know... survival and work and the things we do to thrust ourselves forward to real-world success.

[Johnny Z]

Anyone who says "Git Gud" in a typical match is what is called a sore winner and I would bet a cheat on top trying to make the most of his trolling to ruin other players fun.

Legit players don't like stomping noobies(newbies). Period. That is what is known as rage hackers.

Edited by Johnny Z, 22 May 2016 - 02:29 PM.