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[Murphy7]

Wow, well done Danjo San and Vocifer! Thank you for taking the time to put something like that together.

Speaking as one of the loyalist units in Kurita - I know our numbers are fool's gold.

We have 65 members in 9th Sword of the Dragon, of which maybe 30 have logged in the past month, and of those maybe 15 wander about in Faction Play, and only about 5-8 of us are regularly participating in Faction Play.

[Danjo San]

nehebkau, on 25 May 2016 - 06:09 AM, said:

Many go merc so you aren't stuck throwing away 1/2 your deck of mechs in FW because LORE says you can't use them.

you can always drop mixtech in QP ...
I personally only own one Clan Mech, which I won during an Event. Other than that I chose to play IS because of Lore... Lore is not always negative. I do get your point and it is absolutely valid to do so!

Murphy7, on 25 May 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

Wow, well done Danjo San and Vocifer! Thank you for taking the time to put something like that together.

Speaking as one of the loyalist units in Kurita - I know our numbers are fool's gold.

We have 65 members in 9th Sword of the Dragon, of which maybe 30 have logged in the past month, and of those maybe 15 wander about in Faction Play, and only about 5-8 of us are regularly participating in Faction Play.

yes absolutely... other than that there are of course more than the top 100 units playing FW and also not to forget all the freelancers and Solo Players not in Units... I figured that would make up for the limited group those statistics are based on.

If I dont forget to do it or become lazy I'll try to drop another sheet in a couple of weeks to see how the numbers fluctuate

[invernomuto]

Count Zero 74, on 25 May 2016 - 04:44 AM, said:

Is it possible that a lot of players are grinding the Merc ranks first before they settle down as a loyalist somewhere ?

It's what I would do if had the chance.

It was my initial strategy but with a one (or a few) man merc unit you can have the best of both worlds. I have no incentives to become a loyalist: probation period, huge penalties if I leave my faction (one week is really A LOT in an online game) and rewards that are not really game changing (one or two mech bays). C-bills rewards are the same for mercs or loyalists... With one man merc unit I have a lot of flexibility, like getting a contract, make some games and disbanding and reforming the unit to move to another faction before the contract expires... PGI should give more bonuses to loyalist players IMHO

Edited by invernomuto, 25 May 2016 - 10:15 AM.

[Jman5]

Many Units are filled to the brim with inactive accounts or players who stick to quickplay. Instead of using that as an indicator, I would use the Player leaderboards and just set a cut off number. Lets use a pretty conservative number and say 100 Kill Most Damage Dealt. For the loyalists you can filter by Faction to give you a good breakdown.



Wolf has a theoretically big loyalist population that tops your chart, but in truth they only have a middling amount of active players. Jade Falcon on the other hand only has a middling theoretical population, but they are way more active.


And here's Merc vs Loyalists which isn't very surprising.

Edited by Jman5, 25 May 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Count Zero 74, on 25 May 2016 - 04:44 AM, said:

Is it possible that a lot of players are grinding the Merc ranks first before they settle down as a loyalist somewhere ?

It's what I would do if had the chance.

Maybe? It'll take a long a$$ time to grind out the top rank though for the majority of players. ie. those who aren't punching 6-8hrs a day for months.

I think I've only just hit rank 4 and I've put in a lot of time. Maybe 25hrs a week since the patch. That luxury is now gone so it'll be pretty slow going for to hit the top level.

You'd have to be a really decent player or super active to climb to rank 10 in 3-4 months. Most "normal" tier players will take to the end of the year IMO. I know our unit hasn't even discussed going Loyalist as it's just not gonna happen this year

Edited by R31Nismoid, 25 May 2016 - 03:01 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Jman5, on 25 May 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Many Units are filled to the brim with inactive accounts or players who stick to quickplay. Instead of using that as an indicator, I would use the Player leaderboards and just set a cut off number. Lets use a pretty conservative number and say 100 Kill Most Damage Dealt. For the loyalists you can filter by Faction to give you a good breakdown.

/snip snip

Wolf has a theoretically big loyalist population that tops your chart, but in truth they only have a middling amount of active players. Jade Falcon on the other hand only has a middling theoretical population, but they are way more active.


And here's Merc vs Loyalists which isn't very surprising.

/snip snip

I think that is a pretty good way to look at it also and would serve to better reflect the numbers you see.

If there were 5 figures of active players, the queue's would be 50+ most of the time. Fact is, they aren't even close the majority of the time.

I saw soooo many CSJ members in QP last week. Could hardly get a drop in FP. So it's very much accurate that graph.

Edited by R31Nismoid, 25 May 2016 - 03:06 PM.

[Armando]

Danjo San, on 24 May 2016 - 03:48 AM, said:

Took the liberty to draw out some numbers in diagrams from the current leaderboard of today 24th of May 2016.
It's supposed to be a represantative Overview of the Loyalist and Merc Populations.
I base this "representative" Data on the Membercount of the top 100 Units.
This Sheet does not include Solo Players or Freelancers. It is based entirely on the Unit Leaderboard, (although 1 Man Units are included as long as they are in the Top 100).
Obviously not all players in all unit participate in Faction Warfare and some may have abandoned the game entirely and are still sitting as inactives within these numbers.
These Numbers therefore are to be read as an approximate outline.

So what you are saying is....The Factions that can attract, absorb, and maintain the best working relationship with the mercenaries will likely dominate Faction Warfare....I am shocked that a game with the URL of www.mwoMERCS.com has a lot of mercs playing it.



In other news......water, it's wet...now over to sports.

Edited by Armando, 25 May 2016 - 08:33 PM.

[Danjo San]

Armando, on 25 May 2016 - 08:27 PM, said:

So what you are saying is....The Factions that can attract, absorb, and maintain the best working relationship with the mercenaries will likely dominate Faction Warfare....I am shocked that a game with the URL of www.mwoMERCS.com has a lot of mercs playing it.



In other news......water, it's wet...now over to sports.

Not saying anything, just sharing numbers

[Danjo San]

R31Nismoid, on 25 May 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

I think that is a pretty good way to look at it also and would serve to better reflect the numbers you see.

If there were 5 figures of active players, the queue's would be 50+ most of the time. Fact is, they aren't even close the majority of the time.

I saw soooo many CSJ members in QP last week. Could hardly get a drop in FP. So it's very much accurate that graph.

There are by no chance 5 digits of players in Faction Warfare. Never. According to the numbers I pulled CSJ is down low considering FW the GenPop most likely is higher for all factions. I was only pulling data from and for Faction Play. What you may have seen could also be mercs stuck in a jag contract, pissed they cant find Fw matches. Obviously you reverted to QP after not finding CW matches in an appropriate time.

[Armando]

Announcer: "BY THE NUMBERS" with you host CookieWarrior....
This week on "BY THE NUMBERS"...."YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE IF:"

CookieWarrior: This week on "by the numbers"....."you are going to lose if....you look at your loading screen and see one of "these people" on the enemy team"...



Announcer: How did you come up with this list Cooke?

CookieWarrior: Well, Richard, I wrote down the information for everyone who had a higher w/l ratio then me in the Merc Pilot Leaderboard "Top 1000 pilots" (Stats as of 05/22 @ 15:38 CDT).

Announcer: Everyone on that list is better than you Cookie.

CookieWarrior: Well, Richard, lets not rub it in.....D!ck.

Announcer: You are a Tier 2 scrub Cookie.

CookieWarrior: Well, Richard, you are a...

Announcer: ....and that is it for this weeks "BY THE NUMBERS" with CookieWarrior, join us next week for "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IF". This is your Announcer, Richard Van Wrinkle, saying "Be Good, or Be Good AT IT".

Edited by Armando, 25 May 2016 - 09:15 PM.

[Danjo San]

Jman5, on 25 May 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Many Units are filled to the brim with inactive accounts or players who stick to quickplay. Instead of using that as an indicator, I would use the Player leaderboards and just set a cut off number. Lets use a pretty conservative number and say 100 Kill Most Damage Dealt. For the loyalists you can filter by Faction to give you a good breakdown.



Wolf has a theoretically big loyalist population that tops your chart, but in truth they only have a middling amount of active players. Jade Falcon on the other hand only has a middling theoretical population, but they are way more active.


And here's Merc vs Loyalists which isn't very surprising.

awsome, thanks for sharing that. Does give more insight into numbers, I especially find the gap between your numbers and mine to be very revealing. Cool, thanks fot sharing

Armando, on 25 May 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

Announcer: "BY THE NUMBERS" with you host CookieWarrior....
This week on "BY THE NUMBERS"...."YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE IF:"

CookieWarrior: This week on "by the numbers"....."you are going to lose if....you look at your loading screen and see one of "these people" on the enemy team"...
Rank Pilot Name Unit Kills Most Damage Delt FP Games Played Total Wins Total Losses W/L Ratio 9 Dr Marie Delacrox [Kcom] 2060 396 366 30 12.2 15 S C A R [EVIL] 1888 364 335 29 11.55 18 Pilhoqahiak [Kcom] 1750 522 463 59 7.85 35 Merata Kell [Kcom] 1383 335 306 29 10.55 37 Pat Kell [Kcom] 1369 314 284 30 9.47 44 O m e n [EVIL] 1235 264 239 25 9.56 70 Majinga [Kcom] 998 287 260 27 9.63 78 Wing 0 [-OH-] 943 345 323 22 14.68 79 DarklightCA [228] 942 279 247 32 7.72 81 Zito [228] 931 265 235 30 7.83 90 Yri3l [Kcom] 872 222 207 15 13.8 99 psichih0lic [Lord] 847 214 192 22 8.73 106 Starwulfe [Kcom] 834 304 276 28 9.86 132 VorpalValedictus [228] 758 194 175 19 9.21 156 Texhnolyze IIC [Kcom] 689 198 177 21 8.43 163 Stahlherz [Kcom] 676 235 223 12 18.58 187 JoJoxy [EVIL] 639 179 159 20 7.95 219 Stew101 [Kcom] 604 211 193 18 10.72 233 Jay Z [228] 584 167 149 18 8.28 384 SarntAvery [Kcom] 439 136 125 11 11.36 402 kaffeangst [Lord] 430 187 169 18 9.39 553 SunTzu [Kcom] 357 121 108 13 8.31 594 Fr4pes [-MS-] 340 99 90 9 10 650 Armando [-MS-] 320 192 170 22 7.73 883 WolfishEU [-MS-] 269 84 76 8 9.5 899 Yorinaga [228] 266 153 137 16 8.56

Announcer: How did you come up with this list Cooke?

CookieWarrior: Well, ****, I wrote down the information for everyone who had a higher w/l ratio then me in the Merc Pilot Leaderboard "Top 1000 pilots" (Stats as of 05/22 @ 15:38 CDT).

Announcer: Everyone on that list is better than you Cookie.

CookieWarrior: Well, ****, lets not rub it in.....****.

Announcer: You are a Tier 2 scrub Cookie.

CookieWarrior: Well, ****, you are a...

Announcer: ....and that is it for this weeks "BY THE NUMBERS" with CookieWarrior, join us next week for "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IF". This is your Announcer, Richard Van Wrinkle, saying "Be Good, or Be Good AT IT".

where are your cake diagrams... your numbers mean nothing without a cake diagram...

[Danjo San]

Oh right... you take it personal Armando. Nevermind then. Nobody here is interested in personal stat comparisom

[Armando]

Danjo San, on 25 May 2016 - 09:12 PM, said:

Oh right... you take it personal Armando. Nevermind then. Nobody here is interested in personal stat comparisom

Says the guy who wants to break up 1500th+ ranked units because he get's salty around the eyes every time he plays -MS-... Take it personal.....That's rich, lol.

I should post useful information like what? There 'there are more mercs than loyalist'? That Wolf has the largest Clan Faction player base? That Davion has the largest IS Faction player base? Old news is OLD.

Edited by Armando, 25 May 2016 - 09:23 PM.

[Danjo San]

Armando, on 25 May 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

Says the guy who wants to break up 1500th+ ranked units because he get's salty around the eyes every time he plays -MS-... Take it personal.....That's rich, lol.

Wrong thread for this brother, we can discuss anywhere else, this thread says nothing about mercstar

[Armando]

Danjo San, on 25 May 2016 - 09:22 PM, said:

Wrong thread for this brother, we can discuss anywhere else, this thread says nothing about mercstar

My bad, please continue to tell us how the desert is dry.

[Kurbeks]

Too much mercs

[Danjo San]

Armando, on 25 May 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

Says the guy who wants to break up 1500th+ ranked units because he get's salty around the eyes every time he plays -MS-... Take it personal.....That's rich, lol.

I should post useful information like what? There 'there are more mercs than loyalist'? That Wolf has the largest Clan Faction player base? That Davion has the largest IS Faction player base? Old news is OLD.

Uhmm according to the numbers I pulled FRR had more active Loyalists than Davion. Guess thats old news. Sorry, others, as myself, may find this interesting if you want to draw conclusions from these numbers to Mercstar feel free...

[Armando]

Kurbeks, on 25 May 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

Too much mercs

Or...

Not enough mercs.

Make everyone a 'merc'....'loyalist' still have the option to sign every contract with the same faction. Of course that would mean that the #1 Loyalist would fall to #7 on the charts...and 14 of the Loyalist 20 would fall of the Leader Board front page entirely.

[Danjo San]

Armando, on 25 May 2016 - 09:44 PM, said:

Or...

Not enough mercs.

Make everyone a 'merc'....'loyalist' still have the option to sign every contract with the same faction. Of course that would mean that the #1 Loyalist would fall to #7 on the charts...and 14 of the Loyalist 20 would fall of the Leader Board front page entirely.

49% Loyalist to 51% Merc is a quite fair distribution...
If you make all contracts MERC contracts, what good are loyalists, you'd have to revert back to phase 2 with automated attack lane selection. Making it possible again for mercs to screw with NAP's etc. If all loyalists need to receive more love

[Zolaz]

nehebkau, on 25 May 2016 - 06:09 AM, said:

Many go merc so you aren't stuck throwing away 1/2 your deck of mechs in FW because LORE says you can't use them.

It isnt the LORE that says you cant use them. In the LORE, Inner Sphere pilots were already running Clan mechs that they had salvaged. PGI made a marketing decision so that they could sell more Clan mechs when they first dropped.