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[FuDawg]

Well... almost anytime someone starts something out, "I don't mean to be a **** but...", you can almost rest assured, they ARE in fact about to BE a **** (or a Richard) if you prefer since I'm pretty sure it will blurt out Richards nickname, **** I suppose I am no different and if this gripe makes me a Richard, then so be it.

I tend to play Lights quite a bit. Due to some of my configs, some don't have all that much armor and I prize each and every lil' point of it like one of my own lil' chiluns! So, it irks the living **** out of me when people are so careless as to run over me. Now, mind you I am NOT talking in the heat of battle or even when I screw around running circles around their legs to stay close and be less bored while I give ECM coverage to a fatty.

No... I am talking after a game start, I have escaped unmolested and gone to a center area and then held a conversation in game with another player etc. In this latest case, not only that but ONE guy comes up on me with an entire open Desert and still needs to run over my legs...

OK... I get it... it happens, people forget. But I am tired of it. This AIN'T Tier 5 and ONLY in Tier 5 I think is there any such excuse. By ANY higher Tier you should know better and pay more attention/have more courtesy for you fellow pilots. So.. I make a very nice warning and as I am doing this I see ANOTHER guy coming up and ask very clearly, "Please show some caution and pay attention, don't nick my legs thanks! ". He walks perilously close then turns and walks away. But... of course, again with WHOLE DESERT to use he 180s and comes right back at me and I warn him I will team kill him if he does.

Wham. Right across me like I am not even there. As anyone that knows me can guess I don't make Idle threats, I don't curse no one. I just do it. The whining that ensues is just stunning. WTF?? Why?? Negligence, discourtesy, take your pick. "That's team play?"... "I'm sorry, ignoring 2 polite warnings and a clear threat of action in addition to careless rude negligence IS team play? I'm in a LOCUST... I have 16 points of armor on my legs. Learn to PILOT THEN talk to me about team play."

Again... if this makes me a **** expecting people above Tier 5 to be able play the game properly then a Richard I am and PROUD as hell of it.

[SPencil]

I understand your frustration: I love my spider and I keenly feel every bump on the legs. Here's the thing though: what are you doing standing still or moving slow enough in a light mech that a fat mech can wander over and chip your paint? Moreover, buddy scratched your leg up, swung around, and you stood there and let him do it again.

I get the rant and frustration but I really think you could have handled this better.

[Sjorpha]

Bad piloting, collisions and such don't excuse team killing, not ever.

You can't justify breaking the rules by issuing a warning that you will do it, you're still breaking them no matter how many warnings you hand out.

Also a locust is fast enough to avoid team collisions on it's own.

About the tier thing, if you're tier 4 or 3 you're still playing with tier 5 players. Even if you're tier 2 you're still playing with tier 4 which can include complete newbies as you can reach tier 4 in a few matches. So in order to expect newbie free matches you have to be tier 1.

Edited by Sjorpha, 03 June 2016 - 04:56 AM.

[FuDawg]

If the post was about how I handled it, I MIGHT agree (Not really). I don't get how you hold me standing still against me. I stopped to provide a spotting and look where I go next. It's not that hard to avoid a stationary target that was 200 meters ahead (I was not like right in front and just jammed on the brakes if that's what you are thinking - I would not hold that against anyone). People, EVEN IN LIGHT MECHS stop for plenty of reasons and it's common sense to not run over them. It just is. Also... he was on the same drop, I did not say he was a buddy. A buddy would have the sense and courtesy to not do it OR to apologize. Carelessness, to me, is worse than out right rudeness. At least the rudeness takes some effort. Again, as for handling it better, why should I HAVE to? I have HANDLED it for MONTHS and anyone knows better after a few games... that's ALL there really is to it. You handle it your way and I won't disrespect that but I'm fed up and I'm a man of my word. Nothing personal, just education.

Edited by FuDawg, 03 June 2016 - 05:03 AM.

[Bud Crue]

I don't get it either. I'm t3 and I see this sort of thing regardless of who I am playing with. Collisions early on and friendly fire in the drop zone. Boggles me.

My favorite though is when I am moving in a straight line and have been for some time, and then a mech moving slightly faster finds it necessary to rub up against me and collide with me from the side or behind. How does that even happen? Why do you do that?! On occasion I see it coming on the minimap and turn to try and avoid the collision but about half the time the "pursuer" turns with me. It makes no sense.

[FuDawg]

Sjorpha, on 03 June 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

Bad piloting, collisions and such don't excuse team killing, not ever.

You can't justify breaking the rules by issuing a warning that you will do it, you're still breaking them no matter how many warnings you hand out.

Also a locust is fast enough to avoid team collisions on it's own.

About the tier thing, if you're tier 4 or 3 you're still playing with tier 5 players. Even if you're tier 2 you're still playing with tier 4 which can include complete newbies as you can reach tier 4 in a few matches. So in order to expect newbie free matches you have to be tier 1.

By that very description, Team Damage - is against the rules. And yet, they did it... carelessly and with clear negligence. Why not stop excusing people and start trying to help curb inappropriate behavior like CARELESSNESS? You don't need to be Tier 1 or 4 or anything more than a game under your belt OR common SENSE to know you don't run over people so that whole "newbie free" thing is just silly. I don't mind how many newbies are in a round so long as they aren't careless disrespectful morons.

Edited by FuDawg, 03 June 2016 - 05:10 AM.

[Raso]

I body checked an enemy Hunchback to death in my Battlemaster once. Dude came at me with no armor an only a working head laser but I didn't see h because I was zoomed in and he was just outside of me peripheral vision. I slammed forward intending to wizz past him and protect my exposed ST by making a wide turn and as I came about I slammed into at top speed. I didn't even have time to fire and he just died. Hey cursed and called hax but I just laughed it off because it was cool.

So, yeah. Collisions are no joke.

Edited by Raso, 03 June 2016 - 05:11 AM.

[Bud Crue]

FuDawg, on 03 June 2016 - 05:08 AM, said:

By that very description, Team Damage - is against the rules. And yet, they did it... carelessly and with clear negligence. Why not stop excusing people and start trying to help curb inappropriate behavior like CARELESSNESS? You don't need to be Tier 1 or 4 or anything more than a game under your belt OR common SENSE to know you don't run over people so that whole "newbie free" thing is just silly. I don't mind how many newbies are in a round so long as they aren't careless disrespectful morons.

I do sympathize with what you are saying, but seriously just gotta deal with it like everyone else.
Also, as to getting this bent over "carelessness"...have you played FP lately? Now that mode is an example of carelessness.

[FuDawg]

Bud Crue, on 03 June 2016 - 05:13 AM, said:

I do sympathize with what you are saying, but seriously just gotta deal with it like everyone else.
Also, as to getting this bent over "carelessness"...have you played FP lately? Now that mode is an example of carelessness.

I never play FP anymore, I don't have the time to wait for a drop to have people nor the tolerance for the lameness of it :/ Cest La Vis. Aside from that, to "deal with it", I vented and posted. If someone offers up a bad point of view (at least in my perception) I'm gunna hop in and debate that but, again it's lacking in malice.

I'm sure next time I'll just shrug it off for another 4 months but for ****'S sake.. how smart does ANYONE need to be to see in chat where someone notes "hey guys let's be careful and avoid those collisions." "Hey bro yer coming pretty close, my legs are already damaged from last guy... Not sure if your voip is off but please don't run me down thanks!" ... walk away... turn 180 and come straight for you... "Dude... please don't. I'll TK yo.. OH HELL NO!"

Like I said, if I am a **** for lashing out 1 time out of the HUNDREDS when it's pure CARELESSNESS and rudeness because of that, then so be it I am a Richard. But sorry if I call CARELESS most of all a worse "sin" than outright intentional malice. Again, at least the malice and intention takes some effort. If you can't be careFUL enough to at least TRY and play... then don't. It's UBER simple

ANY other time than when I am minding my own business COMPLETELY OUT OF THE WAY I don't gripe but for ****'S sake you have to expect when you roll up on someone with a whole field to play in and just HAVE to run them down. I ain't HATING, I'm FIXIN'!

[Kotzi]

Well done Don Quijote.

[FuDawg]

Kotzi, on 03 June 2016 - 05:32 AM, said:

Well done Don Quijote.

Well... IF you are gunna disagree.. THAT is the way to do it. <golf clap> Nicely done good sir

[Appogee]

Sjorpha, on 03 June 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

So in order to expect newbie free matches you have to be tier 1.

I hate to break it to you, but in Tier 1 you still get dumped with inexperienced players and expected to carry, because the matchmaker just gives up in the face of low population numbers.

[Nyte Kitsune]

Sjorpha, on 03 June 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

So in order to expect newbie free matches you have to be tier 1.

Hate to break it to you, but a lot of the players in Tier 1 were new players carried to Tier 1. I went back to my Beta Account to test this (Stats had been reset) and went from Tier 4 to Tier 2 in less than 10 matches, and I didn't have very good mechs on that account. Actually you're just as likely to encounter "Newbies" as you put it, in Tier 1 as in Tier 5.

Tier is not a good measure of skill. Tier 3 and Tier 2 are closer to where "Some" not all of the better players are, not that many Tier 1 players haven't earned their spot, but just as many haven't.

[SeaLabCaptn]

I completely sympathize OP. I'm tired of being the Richard for asking another pilot to avoid static obstacles such as myself. Lack of detailed report system, lack of block feature preventing pairing, and lack of concern from derp pilots means this is our problem alone sadly.

[oldradagast]

Mechs spawn rather close to each other, and I know I've stepped on light mechs before because I literally couldn't see them from my assault mech's cockpit. They were already moving and happened to be right next to me when I started to move. No malice was intended, but if I can't see you - and my mech is much slower to react than yours - there's not much that can be done, unfortunately.

This reminds me way too much of the "all friendly fire is intentional and should be brutally punished" post that's going on now. Trust me - very few players in the game are actively trying to step on allied light mechs, and there has to be some responsibility on the mech that moves much faster AND which may be invisible from the cockpit of the other mech (unless he's looking down intentionally for you) to avoid the collisions as well.

Sure, I've seen assault pilots careless step on light mechs - but I've also seen light mechs stupidly come to a total stop right in front of my assault mech that is moving at full speed. There is literally no way I can stop in time, so what the heck where they thinking? I try to be careful, but sorry - that type of carelessness is on them, not me.

Edited by oldradagast, 03 June 2016 - 07:01 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Yeah, those people in the bigger machines are always running over the little guys!

[FuDawg]

oldradagast, on 03 June 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

Mechs spawn rather close to each other, and I know I've stepped on light mechs before because I literally couldn't see them from my assault mech's cockpit. They were already moving and happened to be right next to me when I started to move. No malice was intended, but if I can't see you - and my mech is much slower to react than yours - there's not much that can be done, unfortunately.

This reminds me way too much of the &quot;all friendly fire is intentional and should be brutally punished&quot; post that's going on now. Trust me - very few players in the game are actively trying to step on allied light mechs, and there has to be some responsibility on the mech that moves much faster AND which may be invisible from the cockpit of the other mech (unless he's looking down intentionally for you) to avoid the collisions as well.

Sure, I've seen assault pilots careless step on light mechs - but I've also seen light mechs stupidly come to a total stop right in front of my assault mech that is moving at full speed. There is literally no way I can stop in time, so what the heck where they thinking? I try to be careful, but sorry - that type of carelessness is on them, not me.

In all fairness... you COULD have seen them IF you'd taken the few seconds it takes to actually do that and, no malice, but it's easier for some you to simply say you didn,t see them. Sorry but that's the truth and you know it. As for stopping right in front of people I covered that is a non issue. My fault my blame but I was real clear.

Edited by FuDawg, 03 June 2016 - 07:06 AM.

[SmoothCriminal]

eh - you're in a fast light that can stop on a dime. You share a proportion of the blame for not moving when some large lumbering mech stumbles past.

[oldradagast]

FuDawg, on 03 June 2016 - 07:04 AM, said:

In all fairness... you COULD have seen them IF you'd taken the few seconds it takes to actually do that and, no malice, but it's easier for some you to simply say you didn,t see them. Sorry but that's the truth and you know it. As for stopping right in front of people I covered that is a non issue. My fault my blame but I was real clear.

So.... you've simply decided that light mechs stopping right in front of allied assault mechs moving at full speed is a non-issue, but allied assault mechs who just start moving and bump an allied light mech they can't even see is an issue? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way - the responsibility is on both pilots.

I never said the assault pilot is totally blameless - yes, sometimes they get careless, and I've seen that. But I've also run into my share of idiot allied light pilots who decide to stop right in front of me while moving at full speed, or - my favorite - decided to park directly behind an allied assault mech who's trying to back up to avoid being torn apart by enemy fire. That is totally on the light pilot.

Either we're talking about ALL pilots needing to be less careless or this thread is just a one-sided, fact-free, whine-fest where we all weep for the put-upon lights while forgiving them for no reason when they do something careless and stupid.

Edited by oldradagast, 03 June 2016 - 07:17 AM.

[FuDawg]

oldradagast, on 03 June 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

So.... you've simply decided that light mechs stopping right in front of allied assault mechs moving at full speed is a non-issue, but allied assault mechs who just start moving and bump an allied light mech they can't even see is an issue? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way - the responsibility is on both pilots.

I never said the assault pilot is totally blameless - yes, sometimes they get careless, and I've seen that. But I've also run into my share of idiot allied light pilots who decide to stop right in front of me while moving at full speed, or - my favorite - decided to park directly behind an allied assault mech who's trying to back up to avoid being torn apart by enemy fire. That is totally on the light pilot.

Either we're talking about ALL pilots needing to be less careless or this thread is just a one-sided, fact-free, whine-fest where we all weep for the put-upon lights while forgiving them for no reason when they do something careless and stupid.

Good Lord pay attention. I said it's a non issue in I am not complaining about that. IF I was dumb enough to do it OR simply goof and do it on accident I acknowledge and apologize. And IF had been specifically warned that round you cand bet I'd be uber careful out of simple player courtesy.