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[Xetelian]

Escef, on 04 June 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

I don't have to, you already did.



Remember that? That's what you opened the thread with.

So I'm not allowed to explain why I want to see longer periods? Why 26 days wasn't enough time for me?

I thought I was answering the inevitable question as to "Why can't you come up with $20 before June 1st" was just clearing the way for real discussions as to why it would be good or bad to extend the E.A. rewards.

I am not seeking attention for myself, I am not seeking your sympathy (since you have none anyway) I simply explained that my situation is different because I only get paid once a month and I allocated last months $20 already. It was the entire reason for wanting a full 30 days of E.A. instead of just the 26 given.



Sure, I failed as a human being, thanks for that. I really like how you troll and derail threads.

[Escef]

Xetelian, on 04 June 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Sure, I failed as a human being, thanks for that. I really like how you troll and derail threads.

I never said that. Thank you for the straw man and hyperbole. It makes me feel like you've done a better job demonstrating that you don't have an actual argument than I ever could have.

[Karmen Baric]

LordNothing, on 04 June 2016 - 04:44 PM, said:

i think the preorder window is far too small. should run it up till about 2 or 3 weeks before release.

I actually agree with this too, but dont think PGI will change its stance.

[Xetelian]

Escef, on 04 June 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

I never said that. Thank you for the straw man and hyperbole. It makes me feel like you've done a better job demonstrating that you don't have an actual argument than I ever could have.

What was your argument exactly? Could you clarify why you're against extending the E.A.?

Without mentioning my Budget.
Without mentioning my sob story

Just want to be clear on it. .

[Jables McBarty]

Sagamore, on 04 June 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:

True enough. I didn't work out the cost in MC since I usually buy it in bulk when there is a 20% bonus. But I still save $20 since you can't do the $15 hero add-on without the $20 pack.

^But there's also the cost of the additional mechbay... o.O


OP: I've heard this come up before, and I think Bish's comments about the "urgency makes sales" idea is the real reason.

Unfortunately, I think the only solution is to just put that $20 in a jar till next month's Pre-order, and hope it's a good one :/

[Bishop Steiner]

Xetelian, on 04 June 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

So I'm not allowed to explain why I want to see longer periods? Why 26 days wasn't enough time for me?

I thought I was answering the inevitable question as to "Why can't you come up with $20 before June 1st" was just clearing the way for real discussions as to why it would be good or bad to extend the E.A. rewards.

I am not seeking attention for myself, I am not seeking your sympathy (since you have none anyway) I simply explained that my situation is different because I only get paid once a month and I allocated last months $20 already. It was the entire reason for wanting a full 30 days of E.A. instead of just the 26 given.



Sure, I failed as a human being, thanks for that. I really like how you troll and derail threads.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__5222110

I asked you a question and left a possible solution there, and a still curious on your thoughts?. There will never be universal mech pre sales bonuses for everyone. Just like irl , there will be sakes we can't make, and timing not perfect for everybody. That's reality.

[Xetelian]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__5222110

I asked you a question and left a possible solution there, and a still curious on your thoughts?. There will never be universal mech pre sales bonuses for everyone. Just like irl , there will be sakes we can't make, and timing not perfect for everybody. That's reality.

I think the end of the month and first week of the next month would be pretty good but 2 weeks might be too short.

Don't make generalizations about my spending and budgeting habits. vettie put it pretty succinctly,. you aren't me so you don't know.


What about my tier rewards? First tier during the first month you get 3 items, second month you get one item less and the 3rd month you get one more item less. First month for the waves was 30 days of premium and a warhorn, the second was without the warhorn and no premium and the last was a standing item or something close to that.


Really if they wanted to cater directly to me they could do it at the beginning of the month.

[Chuck Jager]

The bonus is PGIs way to get you to gamble on their mech at a time when very little info may be available. IF the mech is a dud, you still got some good stuff. It is only $20, 2-3 hrs at minimum wage or 2-5 meals out (I rarely eat out, but tend to go somewhere nice).

Maybe each month put aside the $20 and keep a reserve for pre-orders if it really is important. Not everything is easy.

[Xetelian]

Chuck Jager, on 04 June 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:

The bonus is PGIs way to get you to gamble on their mech at a time when very little info may be available. IF the mech is a dud, you still got some good stuff. It is only $20, 2-3 hrs at minimum wage or 2-5 meals out (I rarely eat out, but tend to go somewhere nice).

Maybe each month put aside the $20 and keep a reserve for pre-orders if it really is important. Not everything is easy.

Can anyone come up with a reason why it should be 26 days long without appealing to my personal budget or the excuse that not everything is easy?

Bishop is pretty much the only one who made any sense but I still think it is counter intuitive to offer a sale 3 months in advance of it coming out and during the first 20 or so days offer $15-20$ worth of freebies.

It isn't like they're going to stop selling these packs, Wave 1 is still available.

[Escef]

Xetelian, on 04 June 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

What was your argument exactly? Could you clarify why you're against extending the E.A.?

Without mentioning my Budget.
Without mentioning my sob story

See, therein is the issue. I'm not actually arguing a position. I'm arguing that there is no argument in favor of your position. "I want this," is not a good argument for something, elsewise 6 year olds would be master debaters.

[Xetelian]

Escef, on 04 June 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

See, therein is the issue. I'm not actually arguing a position. I'm arguing that there is no argument in favor of your position. "I want this," is not a good argument for something, elsewise 6 year olds would be master debaters.

You call it arguing against my argument
I call it trolling

Tomato
Tomahto

[Escef]

Xetelian, on 04 June 2016 - 08:38 PM, said:

You call it arguing against my argument

No, I'm saying you don't have an argument. You have a personal situation. I'd recommend contacting customer service and seeing if they can cut you a break. Worst case scenario is they say no. And if you do contact them, I hope they can work out a one-time exception for you. I really do. But the idea that blanket policy change is needed because you have a situation? No, that's just not a good argument.

[Xetelian]

With the Wave 1 and other wave based preOrders the exclusive rewards for ordering early were tiered out over 3 months.

30 Days premium, warhorn, hanging item, and standing item was up for grabs for early buyers.
After 1 month the 30 days dropped off to some lower amount and the warhorn dropped off
After 2 months the hanging item dropped off the premium dropped and only a standing item was given out.

I'd like them to consider doing that for these mechpacks
Or extend the Early Adopter window by a couple of weeks or until the item comes out because every month before it comes out it is still a Pre Order and not knowing if something is good or trash but buying it anyway should be rewarded in my opinion.

The majority of this thread is based on my opinion, I've seen other games give longer access to goodies for early buyers and I think this game should too.

The mech buying page launched on the 4th of last month, it lasted 26-27 days till Midnight June 1 or May 31st, why not a full 30 days? Even 3 more days would have been enough for me to get it within my means.

That is what I'm arguing. My budget is why I thought it needed to be longer but it doesn't qualify as my argument.

Coming here and saying "You don't have an argument you have a situation" is not a debate. Going on about how I need to budget better, might be slitting my own throat, and don't have an argument isn't a debate it is a personal attack.

My budget isn't up for debate, you don't know the entirety of my situation so you have no reason to question my methods.

My original post asked Why or Why Not. So I ask you, why not?
Without bringing up my budget or situation, tell me why not.

[Navid A1]

Xetelian, on 03 June 2016 - 07:18 AM, said:

I'm in a situation where I often don't have the money to buy the pre-Order until the next month. I get paid once a month and later in the month I have a hard time freeing up enough funds to buy a mech or any video game related purchase.

Thus, I miss the bonus goodies.

What I want is the bonus goodies to last until just before the mech comes out. I understand that they want to incentivise the purchase early but why does it only last a couple weeks when the mech doesn't come out for 3 months?

As it is still a pre order, it should at least last until July, the Camo is what I'm really after, free camo is a real selling point for me and the hanging items.

If you agree with me, that preorder bonuses should last longer, please tweet this to Russ.
https://twitter.com/russ_bullock

If you don't agree, please explain why?



Talking about EARLY ADOPTER rewards lasting longer than 3 weeks.

You need to note 2 things.

First, Russ has abandoned twitter.

Second, You'll have a better chance asking god to freeze hell than asking PGI to revise its pricing and mech pack sale models.

[Xetelian]

Navid A1, on 04 June 2016 - 09:44 PM, said:

You need to note 2 things.

First, Russ has abandoned twitter.

Second, You'll have a better chance asking god to freeze hell than asking PGI to revise its pricing and mech pack sale models.

Oh snap!

If Russ isn't using twitter...then...what is he using? If he cut out twitter where is he going to get his complaints from?

Well I didn't exactly imagine a forum thread on mwomercs.com would get any traction, I really just want to test the waters on this idea and held little hope that we'd all march on the offices in droves with our dissatisfaction.

[Escef]

Xetelian, on 04 June 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

The majority of this thread is based on my opinion, ...

Um, yeah, no s***. Pretty much every post you've made in this thread boils down to, "I want it, I Want It, I WANT IT!"

We have a status quo that works. You have yet to make any solid argument for changing it.

You ask why not change it, and the answer is simple: it works as is and your proposed change does not provide any clear advantage.

Edited by Escef, 04 June 2016 - 09:59 PM.

[Xetelian]

Escef, on 04 June 2016 - 09:58 PM, said:

Um, yeah, no s***. Pretty much every post you've made in this thread boils down to, "I want it, I Want It, I WANT IT!"

We have a status quo that works. You have yet to make any solid argument for changing it.

You ask why not change it, and the answer is simple: it works as is and your proposed change does not provide any clear advantage.

There is something wrong with wanting it?

Again with the personal attacks. What I really want is this thread to move on without you returning.

Are they losing out on people buying later than 26 days because they end it too soon?
How do you know it works? What numbers are you seeing?

Bishop had the decency to give light to why he thinks it works.

[Escef]

Xetelian, on 04 June 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

There is something wrong with wanting it?

Nope, never said there was. Why would you even ask that question? Hell, there's plenty of things I want. Wanting things doesn't mean I've earned them, deserve them, or would even enjoy the realities involved in having them.

[WarHippy]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

Actually, I'm not aware of any retailers that allow Larry away on special sake items

From Kmart's website who is also owned by sears it looks like you can do exactly that.

"Reserve now and pay as you go with Kmart layaway online
With Kmart layaway online, those big purchases won’t have to wait until later. Take advantage of current deals and lock in today's great values with our online layaway store. Just start your schedule of payments and your brand new television, dining table or sofa will be waiting for you when you're finished.
If you're shopping for big ticket items, Kmart layaway makes it easy. You can pick and choose your own payment plan to find an option that works for you. You can opt for four biweekly payments over an eight-week period. For purchases over $300, you have the option of setting up a 12-week, six-payment contract at your closest Kmart store. Don’t forget that our layaway online service is low-risk; you can cancel at any time to receive a full refund, minus a small cancellation and service fee. Whether you're buying toys for holiday presents or looking for a new kitchen table, Kmart makes it easy to pay according to your schedule.
If you see a deal you like in the Kmart online layaway store, don’t delay. Take advantage of our great prices and convenient layaway payments at Kmart today."

[Bishop Steiner]

WarHippy, on 05 June 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

From Kmart's website who is also owned by sears it looks like you can do exactly that.

"Reserve now and pay as you go with Kmart layaway online
With Kmart layaway online, those big purchases won’t have to wait until later. Take advantage of current deals and lock in today's great values with our online layaway store. Just start your schedule of payments and your brand new television, dining table or sofa will be waiting for you when you're finished.
If you're shopping for big ticket items, Kmart layaway makes it easy. You can pick and choose your own payment plan to find an option that works for you. You can opt for four biweekly payments over an eight-week period. For purchases over $300, you have the option of setting up a 12-week, six-payment contract at your closest Kmart store. Don’t forget that our layaway online service is low-risk; you can cancel at any time to receive a full refund, minus a small cancellation and service fee. Whether you're buying toys for holiday presents or looking for a new kitchen table, Kmart makes it easy to pay according to your schedule.
If you see a deal you like in the Kmart online layaway store, don’t delay. Take advantage of our great prices and convenient layaway payments at Kmart today."

Now go Iook at any of their print ads. And note that the fine print on EVERY big ticket/hot deal item excludes it.

Nice try though.