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[TKSax]

Jetdrag, on 07 June 2016 - 04:21 AM, said:

Try macros first and see what they do for you. I have and they have a marginal effect on gameplay. They definitely do not make you a better player and do not offer a noticeable advantage.

Yep I have tested them all, and I use none of them, they are inflexible.

I Kept stats for matches with and without the 6 ac2 macro (30 each I think) in the same mech. There was literally no difference in the damage over the matches. What I noticed with the Macro was of course a nice chain fire rhythm that sounded awesome, however in most matches with the macro O ran out of ammo. With out the macro I of course could not get the same rythm however I generally did not run our of ammo and as I said game stats averaged out as to the same.

The Gauss Macro I was using was to sync Gauss and PPC easier, at the time i tested it I Was not nearly as good with guass as am I know, and I hated it. As someone said with out the macro you have some adjustment in when you can release your shot. I performed way better with out the Gauss macro than I did with. The Guass Macro is a trap, yea sure it enables "one click" firing, but you lose so much while using it is not worth it. I have been accused for more of using a Macro now that I better with guass than I ever was using the macro and I used for at least a month or two and no one ever said any thing.

[S13gtastic]

The Basilisk, on 07 June 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

And ... no there is no way to make a gauss rifle to just fire with a single klick....

There all ready is a macro for guass that automatically fires it at full charge so it is single click it's been around for a year and a half. Even has all the input information to have it timed perfectly with fast-fire, any quirks, and the cooldown mod.

Just saying.

[TercieI]

S13gtastic, on 07 June 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

There all ready is a macro for guass that automatically fires it at full charge so it is single click it's been around for a year and a half. Even has all the input information to have it timed perfectly with fast-fire, any quirks, and the cooldown mod.

Just saying.

Yeah that's a simple macro. And it sucks, drastically reducing the weapon's performance.

[Corrado]

TercieI, on 07 June 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

Yeah that's a simple macro. And it sucks, drastically reducing the weapon's performance.

this.

even syncing PPC with GAUSS is best done manually since you have to compensate the velocity difference between PPC/WAFFLE on how far your target is.

no macro can do that.

Edited by Corrado, 07 June 2016 - 06:10 AM.

[FuDawg]

TercieI, on 07 June 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

This misinformed and misunderstanding post refutes any argument you might be making. You'll still have the charge up window and will be surrendering significant control. The gauss is not even hard to use effectively. Why gimp it?

You are REALLY that narrow minded that you don't see that's a single example of literally the most basic sort? Meh... I spoke my piece, y'all are entitled to disagree.

[Aerei]

I've always been kinda torn with macros on this game. On one hand, they don't allow you to mess with the code. On the other hand, it is giving a pretty crazy advantage to people that use it, and it is a third party program.

I mean, if they don't ban it, so be it, I can live with that, but if you're relying on a macro just remember; you're average. Mediocre.

[TercieI]

FuDawg, on 07 June 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

You are REALLY that narrow minded that you don't see that's a single example of literally the most basic sort? Meh... I spoke my piece, y'all are entitled to disagree.

Thanks. I'll do that.

Look, we go over this macro ground way, way too often and the bottom line is this: Top players don't use any serious macros because they simply don't help that much. And nobody worth their salt uses one for a gauss.

Here's the complete list I use: 1) Air/arty bound to one key (I could drop this since I never use arty any more), 2) ECM mode/missile doors bound to one key (no mech until Tempest had both, so this is just a key-saver) and 3) Override on, back off five seconds later (recovers the function it had until PGI made it a toggle). That's all convenience, none of it's game breaking, because there are no game breaking macros.

Aerei, on 07 June 2016 - 06:33 AM, said:

I've always been kinda torn with macros on this game. On one hand, they don't allow you to mess with the code. On the other hand, it is giving a pretty crazy advantage to people that use it, and it is a third party program.

I mean, if they don't ban it, so be it, I can live with that, but if you're relying on a macro just remember; you're average. Mediocre.

No. No it's really not.

[El Bandito]

Aerei, on 07 June 2016 - 06:33 AM, said:

I've always been kinda torn with macros on this game. On one hand, they don't allow you to mess with the code. On the other hand, it is giving a pretty crazy advantage to people that use it, and it is a third party program.

I mean, if they don't ban it, so be it, I can live with that, but if you're relying on a macro just remember; you're average. Mediocre.

What crazy advantage? Tell me so I can shoot down your argument. Almost everyone who had personally used macro in MWO will tell you that it makes very little difference over all. Cause it is true. The advantage gained is minuscule compared to player skill itself.

[Mawai]

dervishx5, on 06 June 2016 - 11:02 PM, said:

Macros are cheap. It allows someone to do something in a game that would normally be impossible to do without that command line.

But trying to ban them would be pretty damn hard so it's just something you have to deal with.

Macros allow someone to do something in a game that would normally MORE DIFFICULT to do without that command line. Macros don't let folks cheat, they just let them execute a series of key strokes perfectly every time. It is certainly possible for people to get the timing of those key strokes perfect without a macro but it takes more skill and sometimes luck.

I don't use macros ...never have and likely never will. Their use is very situational, applies only to certain weapons, and offers only the advantage of perfectly timed keystrokes every time.

However, you also usually can't change your mind half way through a macro. If you use a macro to fire your gauss rifles then yes your timing will be perfect but if a team mate chooses that moment to cross your line of sight then you will be hitting them rather than simply cancelling your shot. Similarly, you can probably chain fire ACs to avoid ghost heat more efficiently but if you are using UAC then you probably lose the ability to choose whether to double tap or not since the macro will do one or the other ... or you have two macros keyed up.

The bottom line is that macros are not a hack. They don't let you do the impossible. They just let you do something a bit more difficult that requires dexterity, coordination and timing to do without the macro.

[Mystere]

Nyte Kitsune, on 06 June 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

Please.. enough with the damn macros, I prefer that this be a skill based game not a game based on gimmics and hacks. Please ban the use of these so that matches are fair not aimed to those willing to cheat just because they don't like the game's mechanics. If you don't like the games mechanics, there's the door, let it hit you on the way out.

[Mystere]

Ace Selin, on 06 June 2016 - 11:42 PM, said:

Marcos is a pretty chill dude, ive played a few games with him. He is always happy to lead and usually will go in first on the big pushes. Leave Marcos alone, i like playing with him.

The world thinks his papa died from natural causes. But my friends from Koga Prefecture say otherwise.

[Bobzilla]

Timing lasers to avoid gh is easy. Doing it absolutely perfect for max dmg/dps is harder.

Doing it while aiming, moving, calling targets, checking minimap, fireing other weapons looking at heat..... This is where the macros help, it eliminates a large task so your brain can focus on other things.

This game's skill set is multitasking and prediction as reflexes aren't that important and aiming is pretty easy. Macros help a lot in the multitasking area allowing more thought to go to the prediction part.

Also you guys know you can add click to cancel for gauss macros, eliminating the waste or "lack of controll ".

[Johnny Z]

I thought players did get banned for using 3rd party cheat programs.

[Barkem Squirrel]

Well there are ways to mimic macro's in the game, if only you know how.

Watch and see:

[Mystere]

El Bandito, on 07 June 2016 - 12:25 AM, said:

Ain't my fault that my gaming mouse has higher function than that of average pleb's. I guess people are accusing me of P2W.

P2W?

This is P2W, and not to mention a whole lot of "macros":




<maniacal >

Corrado, on 07 June 2016 - 06:09 AM, said:

this.

even syncing PPC with GAUSS is best done manually since you have to compensate the velocity difference between PPC/WAFFLE on how far your target is.

no macro can do that.

Do you see that lever on the right side?



Think of it as a timing trim.

Edited by Mystere, 07 June 2016 - 08:08 AM.

[Hydrocarbon]

Nyte Kitsune, on 06 June 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

I prefer that this be a skill based game

Should we also ban high-end GPU/CPU combos? People using desktops instead of lappotatoes? Cause they also give people an unfair advantage of high framerates during brawls & such.

Should we also ban people with multi-button gaming mice? Those are obviously OP compared to the hand-me-down iMac 1-button mouse most MWO potatoes obviously play with.

Should we ban people using multiple >24" ultra-fast refresh gaming LED monotors? They obviously gain an advantage that most 13" CRT users don't have. 4k is practically cheating compared to the casual gamer's 480i resolution.

Now think of what your are piloting - a multi-story war machine with a FUSION reactor & rail guns. Right now the closest modern example, the 72-ton M1A1, has a crew of 3. You're doing the job of 3 men with many automated tasks - but firing a few guns in a timed sequence is too far-fetched??


The irony is the fact that current macros for MWO require a bit of "skill" to set up...

[Mystere]

FuDawg, on 07 June 2016 - 12:30 AM, said:

If you can't aim I suppose it might hurt but if you can, it'd make firing a Guass Rifle a TEENY bit easier since you don't have to hold and release.

A macro that produces much better audible cues while charging the gauss is more useful, especially because it will not accidentally waste ammo if the target gets behind cover while gauss is charging.

Better yet, have a macro that produces the audible cue above and an interruptible charge+fire sequence.

Just don't ask me how to do it.

[Mystere]

Garfuncle, on 07 June 2016 - 12:18 AM, said:

Hasn't PGI outright stated Macros are perfectly acceptable?

Moldur, on 07 June 2016 - 12:32 AM, said:

Depending on the game or situation, it can be a huge advantage. MWO is not at the front of the line on that issue, but your argument does not stand in a general sense if your point is that macros are fair. If I were playing a fighting game and made a macro where at the press of a button, I did a 30 hit combo instead of having to manually input each move, most people would call me a cheater.

So many words and you still did not answer his question. A simple "Yes" would have sufficed.

Edited by Mystere, 07 June 2016 - 07:48 AM.

[Mystere]

El Bandito, on 07 June 2016 - 12:34 AM, said:

Then people should buy mouse with macro and shut up. I'm using what I legally can and I laugh at all these fools for making a big deal about it.

Alternatively, people can just download AutoHotKey. It's free.

I think some people are using macros just as another bogeyman to blame instead of looking in front of the mirror to find the real culprit.

XtremWarrior, on 07 June 2016 - 01:49 AM, said:

Or just put some macro editor in the game - so everyone can use them.

Why should they even bother? It's just a waste of limited resources.
They could just as well point to AutoHotKey ... or stick to what they have already said about macros.

Do you actually think they can do better, instead of developing one that is extremely bugged and requiring even more limited resources to fix?

Edited by Mystere, 07 June 2016 - 08:07 AM.

[Nyte Kitsune]

PGI enjoys contradicting themselves too.. Hadn't you noticed, Yes they've said Macros are acceptable. Yet if you use them during the tournament it's a bannable offense, not just for you, but for your ENTIRE TEAM. Which means that they don't approve of them and consider it cheating, yet they want to allow it but not allow it.

This is the problem I have. That and AC 5's and 2's shouldn't be firing as fast as my MG's. It's crap like this that killed PvP in Champions Online (Though those were genuine hacks called a "Speed Hack" which allowed people to kill you with a basic attack that would hit you hundreds if not thousands of times in 2-3 seconds). You can only hit a button so fast in reality.. Stop defending the macro's that allow you to hit the button faster than you can humanly do so then say "It's all right because PGI said so." (If' PGI said it was safe to jump off the Empire State building would you jump off it? Probably.) Doing something you cannot do without a gimmick (Macro) or hacking (Wall hacks, etc.) should not be allowed, and isn't allowed, in most games.

If it's in a single player game, great, more power to you, but when it affects other people's enjoyment of a game then it "IS" a problem. If you want to use them in private matches, knock yourselves out, just leave it out of public matches.