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[DaFrog]

My answer to a written warning, from PGI about ejecting in CW.

First of all, unless I am seriously mistaken, I made my purchase before the first year of Community Warfare. And the addition of the ejection option. So technically and legally, any documents relating to a Code of Conduct that was modified after my subscription could be interpreted as not-applicable since those addendums were made after my becoming a paying member. Now if we had to yearly pay a fee to play MWO, that would be a whole different matter.

I will not be an ******* about this. I know fully well that it is not the first time I do such things, and others as well. But it is Community WARfare. Not Community PLAYfair. PGI has established that quite clearly when farming the landing zone took place. So since it is WAR, then denying the enemy valuable resources is more than acceptable. Which is what I am doing by ejecting before getting farmed.
And on top of that, since PGI has started Phase 3 and that units can improve planetary defences, I really do not see why I should make it easy for anyone to acquire c-bills to install blast cannons on a planet I am trying to acquire: it is WAR after all. WE are called salty and whiners when we moan about being farmed, but when we deny those kills to the 'reds', looks who's crying and being salty.

And as for my 'teammates' who might have made an issue of this: if I am down to the point of doing that, it is probably because we are screwed. I have never ever seen a 12-0 deficit being corrected on counter-attack or planetary hold, and I never will. Now the opposing team should be disciplined for not bringing an end to a match as quickly as possible instead of looking and trying to disassemble a mech component by component to make more c-bills.
Farming is fair, denying c-bills is not. Now THAT is not fair.

I took full knowledge of your warning. Considering the amount of times that I have helped the devs and the support team at PGI with screenshots, bug reports and so on, I think I am entitled to my opinion and to questioning these way of doing things. I did not spend thousands of $ on this, but I would love to. I'm still waiting on somethings to happen.

DaFrog

[Bud Crue]

Rage, rage against the dying of the light!

You tell em Frog!
Alas, I don't think they (PGI) will care. Did they give you a ban? If not, I wouldn't be concerned, and even if you did, that too shall pass. You did what you did, and got spam reported for it. Meh. I know folks around here that are guilty of repeated and far "worse" conduct, and know they have been repeatedly reported, but they still come back.

If however you are venting in hopes that PGI will take note of the absurdities that you are pointing out, I don't think they will care about that either. This is PGI after all. They will be happy to address your concerns -soon-, in the meantime perhaps you would be interested in a mech pack?

[adamts01]

That is kind of a grey area. But seriously, nobody cares about CW, definitely not PGI. There's no CW4, this is it. Nothing is changing. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

[B0oN]

I´ve seen 12-0 against my favour turned around ...
But then again, I stay in my mechs and fight for as long as the mech is able to .

[Sjorpha]

DaFrog, on 21 May 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

First of all, unless I am seriously mistaken, I made my purchase before the first year of Community Warfare. And the addition of the ejection option. So technically and legally, any documents relating to a Code of Conduct that was modified after my subscription could be interpreted as not-applicable since those addendums were made after my becoming a paying member. Now if we had to yearly pay a fee to play MWO, that would be a whole different matter.

You ARE seriously mistaken actually.

The CoC and other legal agreements relating to behavior in F2P games have nothing to do with your purchases. They are just as binding if you buy something as if you don't.

You agree to these terms simply by playing the game, and you are bound to the current terms as written as the time of playing, not the time of any given purchase.

There are a separate contract for purchases, relating to the regular legalities of buying a digital product, but that document is only relevant to things like refunds and other things to do specifically with a purchase, not to in game behavior.

If you choose to play the game NOW, then all terms apply exactly as written NOW.

And btw choosing to drop in FW knowing what it is, and then ejecting all your mechs while your teammates still want to fight is despicable. You are ruining the fun of your teammates who might have enjoyed trying to beat a superior enemy even if without a chance to win, it's not cool and you deserve every report you get.

Not if you are the last man standing and not weakening your team just denying the last few kills, ok whatever. But if you are doing it just because your first wave got wiped (as you said 0-12) and leave you team 1 man down for 3 waves? How the hell can you think that is even remotely acceptable.

Edited by Sjorpha, 21 May 2016 - 04:57 AM.

[Yosharian]

Haha you play CW

[El Bandito]

Ejecting in the face of insurmountable odds is a **** move. I suppose OP's conduct is slightly better than this scum's below.

This ******** , whose name is erased, saw that we were facing [-MS-] 12-mans so he suicided all of his mechs!




The rest of us fought and were predictably crushed, but ejecting like that is simply unacceptable behavior.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Ah you forget the PGI can change the ToS at any time we damn well please and your continuing use of this product will be construed as consent to any updated terms clause.

[Moomtazz]

OP runs such crappy mech builds that he's doing his team a favor by ejecting. Hell, I'd like to eject when he's on my team in QP matches.

[MadcatX]

Sjorpha, on 21 May 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

You ARE seriously mistaken actually.

The CoC and other legal agreements relating to behavior in F2P games have nothing to do with your purchases. They are just as binding if you buy something as if you don't.

You agree to these terms simply by playing the game, and you are bound to the current terms as written as the time of playing, not the time of any given purchase.

There are a separate contract for purchases, relating to the regular legalities of buying a digital product, but that document is only relevant to things like refunds and other things to do specifically with a purchase, not to in game behavior.

If you choose to play the game NOW, then all terms apply exactly as written NOW.

I'm just curious. You hear ToS and CoC thrown around a lot in the forums, but other then a ban wave a while back, I've never heard of a single other case, not counting the team damage wait time, where a violation of either caused, well, anything?

[Johnny Z]

This topic has effected me when it comes to afk mechs in matches even though I have rarely ejected to avoid being farmed. Only once I recall have I scuttled my own mechs and that was an extreme case where I was the only one playing on my team.

Anyway there is no squirming out of the TOS or "fair play". I see nothing wrong with scuttling disconnected mechs to save them from the enemy.

On this topic I look forward to mechanics in game that discourage disconnecting or dropping disconnected or afkness or assisting the enemy. Maybe repair and rearm could help or maybe some other way.

Edited by Johnny Z, 21 May 2016 - 06:53 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Note that you also make more money by actually attacking an enemy that is trying to farm you because it means that you put out more damage and you might even get a kill or a few while doing it, and at that point you actually were a decent team member and if enough of the team was decent they'd turn it around and win.

As it stands you are hurting your own profits, making the team dislike you because you refused to help, and making the enemy dislike you because you didn't like the odds and just decided to stop playing.

Its like you were a baseball player who stormed out on his team because the first inning went bad. Its bad form.

[TWIAFU]

DaFrog, on 21 May 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

My answer to a written warning, from PGI about ejecting in CW.

First of all, unless I am seriously mistaken, I made my purchase before the first year of Community Warfare. And the addition of the ejection option. So technically and legally, any documents relating to a Code of Conduct that was modified after my subscription could be interpreted as not-applicable since those addendums were made after my becoming a paying member. Now if we had to yearly pay a fee to play MWO, that would be a whole different matter.


DaFrog

You ARE mistaken and wrong on so many levels.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

"PGI issued me a warning for play I agreed to since the CoC says that it can be changed at any time and I'm salty about it!"

Good job there OP, good job totally missing the point.

You agreed to play by PGI's rules, they own the key's to the land, and can eject you at any time, it doesn't matter when you paid, if you never paid, or if you've bought every single item on the shop. You agreed to play by whatever rules PGI set forth when you clicked "I agree to the TOS and CoC"

I just find it cute you're so butthurt over this. You were suiciding, and clearly, not being an asset to the team if you garnered enough flags on your account for PGI to contact you.

Perhaps the one who needs to adjust their outlook, is you, not PGI.

[adamts01]

Dakota1000, on 21 May 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

Its like you were a baseball player who stormed out on his team because the first inning went bad. Its bad form.

Losing your enter first wave more like a UFC fighter breaking an arm at the end of the first round. I personally wouldn't hold this against any pug team going up against a 12 man. This whole game is about having fun, and getting seal clubbed isn't fun. Looking at it another way, seal clubbing isn't fun, and if the other team thinks so, then **** them, they can go spend another half hour looking for another match full of a bunch of other pugs to turn off the game to.

[Johnny Z]

adamts01, on 21 May 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

Losing your enter first wave more like a UFC fighter breaking an arm at the end of the first round. I personally wouldn't hold this against any pug team going up against a 12 man. This whole game is about having fun, and getting seal clubbed isn't fun. Looking at it another way, seal clubbing isn't fun, and if the other team thinks so, then **** them, they can go spend another half hour looking for another match full of a bunch of other pugs to turn off the game to.

See this is wrong to. A player drops in a match they have the responsibility to try their best. Period. Don't like the challenge or think its ok to throw a match? Then don't press launch. Press launch? Then try your best. Simple.

That's TOS I'm sure and fair play.

Edited by Johnny Z, 21 May 2016 - 07:28 AM.

[DarthHias]

Ah nice, that behaviour fits that you show in QP matches.

[Johnny Z]

DarthHias, on 21 May 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

Ah nice, that behaviour fits that you show in QP matches.

You know what else makes me laugh? My latest start of match declaration. "This should be an easy win, I'm on this team."

Edited by Johnny Z, 21 May 2016 - 07:38 AM.

[Sjorpha]

MadcatX, on 21 May 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

I'm just curious. You hear ToS and CoC thrown around a lot in the forums, but other then a ban wave a while back, I've never heard of a single other case, not counting the team damage wait time, where a violation of either caused, well, anything?

This is just a wild guess, but maybe most people who earn themselves disciplinary action don't feel the irresistible urge to publicly shame themselves like mr. DaFrog here.

[DarthHias]

Johnny Z, on 21 May 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

You make me laugh. You know what else makes me laugh? My latest start of match declaration. "This should be an easy win, I'm on this team."

I was referring to the OP.