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[Burning2nd]

It took a few hours to adjust... but i can say now fully.. that if you still have a problem with the new mini map.... your a noob

[f rock]

I cant play this game anymore, thx and bye. Was fun the last few years..

[Fox the Apprentice]

Burnin2nd, on 22 June 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

It took a few hours to adjust... but i can say now fully.. that if you still have a problem with the new mini map.... your a noob

A noob because it takes an extra half a second to identify the location relative to my facing of the blip from my seismic sensor? I think not.

A noob because I want to be able to glance at the mini-map and make sure my PUG teammates aren't turning (in place) to chase that squirrel? I think not.

A noob because I want this game to be more accepting of actual newbs, so that FP is less of a ghost town in several months? Or so that PGI makes more money and can keep developing? I think not.

Think before you label, kid

[Majorchaos]

This map is making this game unplayable. Its so damn disorienting. Two things you can do to fix it. Ability to zoom in, make it rotate with you.

[MasterW3]

the mini map needs TWO things.
Option to zoom IN .
Option to lock / unlock rotation on you (facing forward vs North)

technically, it could use a few other things...
field of view indicator, and arrows or SOMETHING pointing in he direction mechs are facing.

[DemonRaziel]

Fox the Apprentice, on 22 June 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

A noob because it takes an extra half a second to identify the location relative to my facing of the blip from my seismic sensor? I think not.

A noob because I want to be able to glance at the mini-map and make sure my PUG teammates aren't turning (in place) to chase that squirrel? I think not.

A noob because I want this game to be more accepting of actual newbs, so that FP is less of a ghost town in several months? Or so that PGI makes more money and can keep developing? I think not.

Think before you label, kid

Add: A noob because my HUD no longer has a freaking radar?!

Also, so far I've counted 7 people liking/encouraging the new minimap. Might have missed some, but the amount is still negligible.

[Karl Carver]

Its rare for me to complain about a feature, but i really hate this change, it reduces my situational awareness, im trying to just ignore it but old habits die hard and as soon as i look at it i become disoriented.

Please roll it back or give us a settings choice between the two styles

[Dee Eight]

sIGH.....Pay attention to the main website page people...

[p4r4g0n]

Burnin2nd, on 22 June 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

It took a few hours to adjust... but i can say now fully.. that if you still have a problem with the new mini map.... your a noob

Getting over the disorientation is just a matter of getting used to it but if you call targets, enemy UAVs, etc over VOIP, the lack of grid markers is an incredible pain in the ***.

While I agree that reducing the usefulness of the mini map was done with a specific goal in mind that may enhance gameplay, PGI is repeating some blunders of the past by changing / implementing one half of a feature while still working on the balance.

While incremental changes are good, implementing half of a feature without the complementary portion just leads to a lot of issues. If nothing else, it increases player resistance to any further change which is just detrimental overall.

Please use incremental changes for tweaks, not features.

Edited by p4r4g0n, 22 June 2016 - 05:08 PM.

[Zen555]

Even with the patch, not happy:
1) Can't tell where my ALLIES are facing. There's no reason I should not have intel on my own team? Are they advancing or retreating? I used to be able to tell and now I can't.
2) Can't tell where the ENEMY is facing. I heard the logic and the vision, I just don't buy it. The minimap has been a part of the game for 3? years, it's a little late to decide to change from a tactics game to a strategy game. Especially when there are no alternatives ready.

Remember turrets? "LRM turrets are broken on one map, so we'll remove ALL turrets from ALL maps but this is part of the vision of having dropships defend." Ok that was a year ago, so forgive me if I lost faith that the check is in the mail.

[Cedillas]

The minimap still sucks even after the hurried patch. I liked MWO but it's time to move on. I hope their board takes note of what a CF this is.

[DAEDALOS513]

One step in the right dirction but:
-Bring back directional arrows.
-Allow for custom zooming.

[50 50]

I'm trying hard not to laugh.
Really.
And not at the mini map, at everyone who can't seem to put up a post without some sort of dummy spit.

Anyway, taking into consideration what was said at the townhall in regards to the minimap and where this development was heading I can make the following observations:

• There is value in having a full map visible in the cockpit and showing our position on it. It would serve as a navigation/GPS display and could display markers such as objectives and waypoints/commands fed to it from the battlegrid. This is more of a static display which would be invaluable if the commander had access to the battlegrid during drop preparation to do some planning.
  
• A radar/sensor view as a separate display would also have value. Essentially what the mini-map was providing as it provides different references and is a more dynamic tool. The information shown here should be tied in closely with what the mech sensors can display. This should be based on the various stats for information warfare and affected by equipment and modules.
  
• With the objective of simplifying the display of information to allow for the effects of equipment, modules and information warfare stats, we could remove the mech class from the radar blips at this point as well. Knowing what class of mech has been detected would be one of the first bits of information gathered, but should only be obtained after a certain amount of time. For example there may be the following levels of information that gradually come through as the radar blip is targeted and the information gathered:
  - Weight Class.
  - Mech Chassis.
  - Loadout
  - Damage (Needs to update dynamically and refresh if the target is lost from radar)
  - Speed/Direction. (Probably only available while the target is selected or from UAV. TAG and NARC shouldn't help here.)
  Remembering the stats for info warfare which affected how efficient the sensors were, how it could be shared between mechs etc, it all starts to fit together nicely.

An additional point I would like to make with the change to the map was how the conquest points are now being displayed. Adding the letter relating to the point on the compass is really handy.

[Erik Krieger]

I love this game for it's unique scifi Battletech atmosphere and the "adult" simulation character. I will keep playing it now and then, but i fear they have lost a little bit (don't want to sound too hard here) the vision and creativity for this thing. Which can be seen, when they get "inspiration" from a 2nd world war shooter...

[Airwolf]

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- Speed/Direction. (Probably only available while the target is selected or from UAV. TAG and NARC shouldn't help here.)
<snip>

Personally speaking, I completely disagree. The TAG (from my understanding) is laser painting a target which the optics within the incoming LRMs use to provide missile course corrections as the target moves (both speed and direction). Come to think of it, I assume that ARTEMIS works in a similar fashion. Regardless, If I'm the one tagging the enemy mech, then I've got LOS to the target, and my sensors should (baring any enemy ECM jamming my sensors) be able to determine the speed/direction of the tagged target. As for NARC, once again baring any enemy ECM jamming the NARC, it's an electronic beacon screaming out "Look at me!!! ... I'm right here!!!". Once again, should be easy to determine speed and direction.

[dezgra]

I have just played the patch. I LIKE the changes to the minimap. This is how it should work. I say well done PGI. It is just like real life "map orientation". I ask those who hate it a question. Have you ever used a real paper map, or only GPS?

[Duncan Aravain]

I complained when it first came out (politely, but firmly) and it is only fair that i grudgingly say the new map is not a total waste of coders' time. Could it be better? Of course, but PGI wants to start changing from free info to all to having to earn more of it through effort/mech builds. The map in its new (for the moment) hotfixed state is adequate for what is intended and is a fine transitional mode until the new,new map is revealed. If you cannot manage the game with the current map, well, then perhaps it's not all PGI's programming that is at fault.

[Karl Carver]

Dee Eight, on 22 June 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

SIGH.....Pay attention to the main website page people...

Yeah i knew a fix was coming, but this new feature was such a stinker imo i had to provide some feedback to that effect.
The fix is an improvement, i thinks its fair and reasonable to not be able to see the enemys direction, and i can live without seeing my teams direction. But i think as far as realism goes its not unreasonable to expect My teams IFF system to be able to tell me my own teams directional status.

But at least im no longer disoriented by the minimap, thats an improvement and i thank PGI for fixing it

Edited by Karl Carver, 22 June 2016 - 08:56 PM.

[Initium Thoth]

still cant tell facing of mechs... not as helpful as original
Please fix

[Erik Krieger]

@dezgra

I can perfectly navigate with good old paper maps. That is not the issue for me. But this warfare takes place in the Year 3000 or so...!! Don't you get it? A Pilot, even a pilot of fast moving battlemachines (some with jump jets), needs quick and comfortable presentation of fast and suddenly changing fighting situations in his direct next surrounding. And secondly about the "these and that information to have is unrealistic" argument... again, its the year 3000! I wonder if someone said during the invention of Star Trek: "Hey, beaming is sooo unrealistic!" Or when the brothers wright builded the first planes: "Hey 8 times supersonic speed is not feasible"...

Take your paper map, take a walk in the woods and make a nice campfire.... but dont take it with you in a year 3000 high tech battlemonster where seconds and technical advancement decide between "life and death"....