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[Yellonet]

I've been trying to do some scouting to see if I could complete the goals for the event.
But after match after match going up against 4 x skillcrows (no matter if they are to scout or defend) and getting butchered I see that there's no chance for that.

What the scouting battles show off with painful clarity though is that there is no balance between IS and Clans.
Weight for weight Clan mechs are simply better.
In regular QP or even to some degree in Invasion matches, this is hidden, in QP there are mixed teams, and in invasion matches the teams are large enough to somewhat mask away the superiority of the individual Clan mechs.

When it's just 4 vs 4 though, the lack of balance and the unfair advantages of Clan mechs shines through all too well.

I wonder if PGI will give some statistics after the event on how many scouting battles were won by Clans and how many were won by IS.

That Clan mechs are better has been my feeling since I started to play this game, that's why I never use them; I don't want any handicaps. This just feels like confirmation that my feeling was right all along.

But then again, I'm sure there are lots of people that doesn't mind the game being unfair.

[Brain Cancer]

The problem is that IS pilots tend to bring the utterly wrong tools to the party.

A pack of IS 55-ton brawler goons will chew up a Stormcrow pack and spit out the scrappy remains before looking for more.

I've had such gems as stock-engine Urbanmechs, LRM 10 Oxides, and plenty of 35-tonners that don't realize that we're going to have at least 1-2 around designed specifically to splat them with 30 Streaks a few times until they explode. An easy kill or possibly two later and we're gnawing on your rusty metal corpses for the win. It's a lot easier for Clanners to make good Scouting choices in part because there's fewer bad choices, even if we're using the aforementioned 35-tonners that are normally deadly in QP. Because Clanners don't have to fear the Streaks.

[Tarogato]

Yellonet, on 04 July 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

I've been trying to do some scouting to see if I could complete the goals for the event.
But after match after match going up against 4 x skillcrows (no matter if they are to scout or defend) and getting butchered I see that there's no chance for that.

What the scouting battles show off with painful clarity though is that there is no balance between IS and Clans.
Weight for weight Clan mechs are simply better.
In regular QP or even to some degree in Invasion matches, this is hidden, in QP there are mixed teams, and in invasion matches the teams are large enough to somewhat mask away the superiority of the individual Clan mechs.

When it's just 4 vs 4 though, the lack of balance and the unfair advantages of Clan mechs shines through all too well.

I wonder if PGI will give some statistics after the event on how many scouting battles were won by Clans and how many were won by IS.

That Clan mechs are better has been my feeling since I started to play this game, that's why I never use them; I don't want any handicaps. This just feels like confirmation that my feeling was right all along.

But then again, I'm sure there are lots of people that doesn't mind the game being unfair.

My experiences prove otherwise. I've won 13 out of 15 scouting matches as IS so far, and one of those two losses was because the guy that was supposed to step inside the dropzone ... forgot to step inside the dropzone, lol. The second loss was against a Lord 4-man, and we killed all four of them, but they legged us so we didn't make it to the dropzone in time.

As long as you bring four decent brawling mediums, you should be crushing clans most of the time.

[A Little Clever]

As Brain Cancer said, bring medium IS brawlers. They eat crows. There are counters to everything except piloting skill. Use your counters until they adapt, then find another.

[dario03]

Bring a IS brawling medium with structure quirks like a Griffin 3m. Though with that said I do think they should really change streaks so that they're not a hard counter to brawler lights and weak against heavies and assaults. Or at least do something about the artemis effect on streaks.

Edited by dario03, 04 July 2016 - 12:40 PM.

[Bud Crue]

OP,
I'm a terrible player. I have no twitch skills, am a barely functional alcoholic, have awful reflexes and I play the game on a 7 year old laptop with a rural Internet connection. Yet with all that I still win about 50 percent of scouting matches. I bring a Griffin 2n with 2 a+srm 4s and 2 a+srm 6s. On a team with like minded folks and similar mechs (centurions and other good heavy hitters) the percentage goes up. We treat collect and defend the same: death match. Try it and I am sure your results will improve. If someone as incompetent as I can make a go of it, I am sure you can do even better.

[DAYLEET]

Tarogato, on 04 July 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

My experiences prove otherwise. I've won 13 out of 15 scouting matches as IS so far, and one of those two losses was because the guy that was supposed to step inside the dropzone ... forgot to step inside the dropzone, lol. The second loss was against a Lord 4-man, and we killed all four of them, but they legged us so we didn't make it to the dropzone in time.

As long as you bring four decent brawling mediums, you should be crushing clans most of the time.

Ive completed the Invasion events and thinking about the Scouting and i have this question. What speed should a medium go? I can bring all the cheesy loadout possible but im not sure about what speed i should get.

[C E Dwyer]

Brain Cancer, on 04 July 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

The problem is that IS pilots tend to bring the utterly wrong tools to the party.

A pack of IS 55-ton brawler goons will chew up a Stormcrow pack and spit out the scrappy remains before looking for more.

I've had such gems as stock-engine Urbanmechs, LRM 10 Oxides, and plenty of 35-tonners that don't realize that we're going to have at least 1-2 around designed specifically to splat them with 30 Streaks a few times until they explode. An easy kill or possibly two later and we're gnawing on your rusty metal corpses for the win. It's a lot easier for Clanners to make good Scouting choices in part because there's fewer bad choices, even if we're using the aforementioned 35-tonners that are normally deadly in QP. Because Clanners don't have to fear the Streaks.

Have to agree, the problem is the IS pilots bring bad builds and or lights for the intel grab, with no intention of trying to win the match.

Yes lol, trying to win it by intel grabbing and not fighting the whole point of the mode, almost certainly results in a loss, but we won't go there that much.

skillscrows are easy meat for a brawler IS medium, splats are more deadly, as are hunchbackII with SRMS

[Vxheous]

Most competent clan pilots won't bother with steakcrows, they'll just kill you with SRM crows, small pulse crows, small pulse novas, srm/uac10 hunchies. The fact that tou're losing to streakcrows means either a) bringing the wrong mech/mech build, or lack of skill

[Yellonet]

Bud Crue, on 04 July 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

OP,
I'm a terrible player. I have no twitch skills, am a barely functional alcoholic, have awful reflexes and I play the game on a 7 year old laptop with a rural Internet connection. Yet with all that I still win about 50 percent of scouting matches. I bring a Griffin 2n with 2 a+srm 4s and 2 a+srm 6s. On a team with like minded folks and similar mechs (centurions and other good heavy hitters) the percentage goes up. We treat collect and defend the same: death match. Try it and I am sure your results will improve. If someone as incompetent as I can make a go of it, I am sure you can do even better.

I'm sure you're downplaying your own skill, but thanks.

It's sad though that this game mode also has to become a skirmish/TDM

[Yellonet]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 04 July 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

Most competent clan pilots won't bother with steakcrows, they'll just kill you with SRM crows, small pulse crows, small pulse novas, srm/uac10 hunchies. The fact that tou're losing to streakcrows means either a) bringing the wrong mech/mech build, or lack of skill

A bit of both I should say.
I guess I was stupid to think that this game mode would be anything but skirmish, because 4 other skirmish modes clearly aren't enough.

[Weeny Machine]

Yellonet, on 04 July 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

I've been trying to do some scouting to see if I could complete the goals for the event.
But after match after match going up against 4 x skillcrows (no matter if they are to scout or defend) and getting butchered I see that there's no chance for that.

What the scouting battles show off with painful clarity though is that there is no balance between IS and Clans.
Weight for weight Clan mechs are simply better.
In regular QP or even to some degree in Invasion matches, this is hidden, in QP there are mixed teams, and in invasion matches the teams are large enough to somewhat mask away the superiority of the individual Clan mechs.

When it's just 4 vs 4 though, the lack of balance and the unfair advantages of Clan mechs shines through all too well.

I wonder if PGI will give some statistics after the event on how many scouting battles were won by Clans and how many were won by IS.

That Clan mechs are better has been my feeling since I started to play this game, that's why I never use them; I don't want any handicaps. This just feels like confirmation that my feeling was right all along.

But then again, I'm sure there are lots of people that doesn't mind the game being unfair.

There are worse things than Skillcrows.

Oh, and when you saw all the time skillcrows...why didn't you simply bring 4x Griffin N with ASRMs which stick tightly together and focuse fire. Guess what would have happened with the skillcrows?

[chucklesMuch]

Clan players don't always bring Storm crows... I had the good fortune to have multiple drops with team mates bringing myst lynx's... even when we were defending...

[Bud Crue]

Yellonet, on 04 July 2016 - 12:44 PM, said:

I'm sure you're downplaying your own skill, but thanks.

It's sad though that this game mode also has to become a skirmish/TDM

No really, I am bad. But if you treat the mode as a skirmish (for good or ill) and plan accordingly you will have pretty good results. Focus fire and play with a group and you will do even better.

[Lorian Sunrider]

I bring my Stormcrow because the only other clan mechs I own are the Cheetahs (which die in balls of fire to the Griffin's) and to a much lesser extent my Nova's.

It does amuse me when people accuse me of using a Streakcrow. I can't stand streaks, I'd rather just learn to aim better with SRM's (which I have) than deal with ECM and waiting for a lock ********. 4 SRM 6 with 6 SL is a great brawler.

[Metus regem]

chucklesMuch, on 04 July 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Clan players don't always bring Storm crows... I had the good fortune to have multiple drops with team mates bringing myst lynx's... even when we were defending...

I had the unfortuan to play against a -MS- 4 man last time I did scouting... I faced 4x SCR-PRIME

Things did not go well for us...

My team consised of the following:

1x CDA-3M with MPL wubs, that's all I ever say him fire

1x WLF-2 with MLas, just MLas

1x HBK-4G

1x YEN-LO-WANG, this one was me.

We got butchered, but I know I made a good showing at least, I killed one and a half crows.

[Lorian Sunrider]

Thing is, when my unit and I have been doing scouting it really boils down to teamwork. Even when we've run into some bizarre team comps, if we aren't working together, we lose.

When you've got a pair of AC 20 Centurions with a pair of Splat Griffins against any combination of Clan mechs, it's gonna be a close fight.

Teamwork OP.

That knowing wtf you are doing and not bringing stupid builds.

[Deathlike]

Very rarely will you play a match w/o being spotted or have an engagement. The dropship pickup is localized to certain-fixed areas (it's random to which one it happens to be, but the locations are fixed).

Scouting is still closer to a 4v4 Skirmish (with a Conquest-like feel) than anything else really.

Edited by Deathlike, 04 July 2016 - 01:25 PM.

[Tarogato]

DAYLEET, on 04 July 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

Ive completed the Invasion events and thinking about the Scouting and i have this question. What speed should a medium go? I can bring all the cheesy loadout possible but im not sure about what speed i should get.

I'd aim for around 90kph.

Personally, I've done all mine in a GRF-2N built for specifically for speed. I don't find a STD engine necessary, I don't usually die from XL before I've lost most of my armour anyways.

That said, I've seen all of these work just fine:
HBK-4SP.
SHD-2D2.
BJ-1X.
CN9-AH.
CRB-27B.
ENF-4P.

[DAYLEET]

Tarogato, on 04 July 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

I'd aim for around 90kph.

Personally, I've done all mine in a GRF-2N built for specifically for speed. I don't find a STD engine necessary, I don't usually die from XL before I've lost most of my armour anyways.

That said, I've seen all of these work just fine:
HBK-4SP.
SHD-2D2.
BJ-1X.
CN9-AH.
CRB-27B.
ENF-4P.

Thanks, ive already used and abused a SDH similar last few weeks but lb10x instead and it's an insane tough mech than can dish a lot of damage. Probably going to run all those for diversities sake with a Treb7M. mixed in