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[PhoenixFire55]

bukidog, on 15 July 2016 - 05:42 AM, said:

You will lose against any light that finds you all alone. It's a learning experience. It happened to all of us, a lot. But nerf the locust, that same day someone will tear you up with a raven, a spider, a commando...... and definitely an arctic cheetah.

Thats just silly but we can test it. 1v1 lobby, I'll take a slow assault without Streaks and you can take any light mech you want. So, how bout it?

[Lily from animove]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Thats just silly but we can test it. 1v1 lobby, I'll take a slow assault without Streaks and you can take any light mech you want. So, how bout it?

wow you ar elosing your own chain of argumentation here, because according to your own words, all he needs is a locust to go below you

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 03:10 AM, said:

I'd also very much like to see how you'd take out a Locust in an assault mech when said Locusts stands directly below you.

so with what you said now it would invlaid what you said earlier.

Edited by Lily from animove, 15 July 2016 - 05:58 AM.

[bukidog]

Yellonet, on 15 July 2016 - 03:38 AM, said:

Is it really just coincidence that there are lots of Locusts now when you saw very few before the rescale?

No, no coincidence. So many here have already explained why. Most the other good lights took huge hits in the rescale. Perhaps most notably, the jenners. Go to twitch and Reddit or YouTube, some of the best light pilots I've seen were running jenners. Where do they go when the jenner became a lumbering trash can. That's right. The locust.

[Lily from animove]

bukidog, on 15 July 2016 - 05:58 AM, said:

No, no coincidence. So many here have already explained why. Most the other good lights took huge hits in the rescale. Perhaps most notably, the jenners. Go to twitch and Reddit or YouTube, some of the best light pilots I've seen were running jenners. Where do they go when the jenner became a lumbering trash can. That's right. The locust.

And why do so many still perform as before? maybe those "best light pilots" weren'T that much the best than you wee thinking of.

[Kadreal]

Lily from animove, on 15 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

And why do so many still perform as before? maybe those "best light pilots" weren'T that much the best than you wee thinking of.

The best players will try and use the best tool for the job. Since Jenners are now terrible, they've moved on to the next best things. Namely the Locust and the Arctic Cheetah

[PhoenixFire55]

Lily from animove, on 15 July 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

wow you ar elosing your own chain of argumentation here, because according to your own words, all he needs is a locust to go below you

so with what you said now it would invlaid what you said earlier.

LOL ... pray tell me where the contradiction is. But of course you won't, because there isn't.
In a situation when an assault has other things to do than worrying about a light its not a big deal to get real close, in a situation when an assault will be focused on killing said light its a completely different thing. Plus, it only works with Locusts, and he clearly said "any light".

Try harder.

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 03:17 AM, said:

You know its relative, but I'd like to see all the Locust pros do what they do in other lights like Jenners, Ravens, Panthers etc. Somehow I'm sure they'll get instagibbed. So yeah, relative crutchmech if you like ...

Here ya go, bruh...


AND



#UtinniDrop

Edited by Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, 15 July 2016 - 07:03 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

Here ya go, bruh...

LOL ... Yeah, show us some more of that data accumulated over the years while rescale happened like 3 weeks ago.
So relevant. Much amaze.

Also ... hiding tier and 3 posts on the forum. Just sayin ...

[DarthHias]

Locust crutch mech. Ok.

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

LOL ... Yeah, show us some more of that data accumulated over the years while rescale happened like 3 weeks ago.
So relevant. Much amaze.

Also ... hiding tier and 3 posts on the forum. Just sayin ...

Invalidates data how? Keep making excuses, buddy. You asked for it. You got it. Game, set, match.

Oh wait, tier is just an XP bar! wait, no it determines skill! wait no, I will say anything to get elected! wait, no, wrong forum...

*waiting on the group queue vs solo queue excuses*

also, "data" is a plural term. "show us some more of those data..."

I have one - howsabout you show us YOUR Locust stats?

Oh, and here's another screenie for ya (24 JUN):

ETA: group queue, tier 2 (I think he was still 2, may have been 1 already at this point) lead.

#Utinni4theWinnie

Edited by Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, 15 July 2016 - 07:39 AM.

[Lily from animove]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 06:40 AM, said:

LOL ... pray tell me where the contradiction is. But of course you won't, because there isn't.
In a situation when an assault has other things to do than worrying about a light its not a big deal to get real close, in a situation when an assault will be focused on killing said light its a completely different thing. Plus, it only works with Locusts, and he clearly said "any light".

Try harder.

Ah now you make up situations fitting each what you said, which therefore just meaqns if the locust below the assualt is such a bad thign for the assault, shouldn't that mean focussing on other things was the wrong choice? Sry if youc an't make out your own contradiction in there.

Kadreal, on 15 July 2016 - 06:40 AM, said:

The best players will try and use the best tool for the job. Since Jenners are now terrible, they've moved on to the next best things. Namely the Locust and the Arctic Cheetah

that implies the locust is now better than the jenner, and wow thats so wrong LOL If it were liek that wouldn't we see the entire Jenner spam in scouting being replaced by locust spams? why isn't that?

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

LOL ... Yeah, show us some more of that data accumulated over the years while rescale happened like 3 weeks ago.
So relevant. Much amaze.

Also ... hiding tier and 3 posts on the forum. Just sayin ...

then tema up with him and play both you will then see real results at the present.without any chance to cheat screens and whatever.

[PhoenixFire55]

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

Invalidates data how? Keep making excuses, buddy. You asked for it. You got it. Game, set, match.

Wow, yet another butthurt Locust lover who spits acid all around him the moment he hears Locust and nerf in the same sentence.

First of all, I didn't ask for trash "data" you throw at me. I clearly said that I'd like to see people do in other lights what they can NOW pull off in a Locust. If you can't follow the conversation people are having here then please refrain from misinterpreting my words.

Your "data" doesn't mean crap because your "data" doesn't show who you are you playing with and against, but please tell us more how difficult it must be to farm damage and kills in a light while having 8 buddies on comms in heavies and assaults engaging the enemy.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

Oh wait, tier is just an XP bar! wait, no it determines skill! wait no, I will say anything to get elected! wait, no, wrong forum...

Yep, PSR is just an XP bar. But there is a tiny little detail .. its an XP bar for average and above average players. The fact that you are still T3 with 1000+ matches says it all really, but at least you got balls enough to show it to us. Being a T3 you often drop with T5 seals who don't even know how to shoot back, let alone shoot and actually hit lights in the first place. But please, keep telling us how difficult it is to farm damage and kills on such capable players.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

*waiting on the group queue vs solo queue excuses*

lol Excuses? Well playing in groups compared to playing solo obviously doesn't affect your stats in any possible way. Oh wait ...

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

also, "data" is a plural term. "show us some more of those data..."

I don't care much mr.grammernazi. If you do then it might be a good idea to at least start a sentence with a capital letter.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

I have one - howsabout you show us YOUR Locust stats?

I don't own any Locusts on a regular client. Will other lights I have satisfly your curiosity?

[bukidog]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Thats just silly but we can test it. 1v1 lobby, I'll take a slow assault without Streaks and you can take any light mech you want. So, how bout it?

Sure, that's fine, but my point was made in response to the argument that a mediocre heavy pilot separated from the team and with a poor loadout should be defeated by a locust. My response was to point out that the locust is not the deciding factor in those types of situations. Any light could do the same job.
I was not calling out any and all heavies with any and all lights, But, say we duel, that would most likely prove the point I've made in all my earlier responses. And that is that pilot is the deciding factor. You, I notice, are T1, and if leaderboard can be used to assess an opponent, are pretty good. I'm T3 and have signed off several posts clarifying that I do not see myself as a good pilot, or bad either, probably just average. But to the point of the thread, if I bring a raven and win, does that mean the locust isn't op, if i lose does that mean it is? How many rounds makes a viable statistical sample? Anyway I'm on usually after 10 est.

Edited by bukidog, 15 July 2016 - 07:58 AM.

[Telemachus -Salt Wife Salt Life-]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

Yep, PSR is just an XP bar. But there is a tiny little detail .. its an XP bar for average and above average players. The fact that you are still T3 with 1000+ matches says it all really, but at least you got balls enough to show it to us.

LOL at this guy using tier to bash valid and reasonable arguments made by someone :/. I am sorry man, now you are arguing circles and just insulting people. First you asked for stats. Then you say the stats don't matter when they are presented. Then you ask for someone's tier like that's important. Then say the person's point is not valid because of it, but still admit that PSR is just an XP bar?

Please share what you are smoking.

Edited by Telemachus Rheade, 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM.

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

Wow, yet another butthurt Locust lover who spits acid all around him the moment he hears Locust and nerf in the same sentence.

First of all, I didn't ask for trash "data" you throw at me. I clearly said that I'd like to see people do in other lights what they can NOW pull off in a Locust. If you can't follow the conversation people are having here then please refrain from misinterpreting my words.

Your "data" doesn't mean crap because your "data" doesn't show who you are you playing with and against, but please tell us more how difficult it must be to farm damage and kills in a light while having 8 buddies on comms in heavies and assaults engaging the enemy.



Yep, PSR is just an XP bar. But there is a tiny little detail .. its an XP bar for average and above average players. The fact that you are still T3 with 1000+ matches says it all really, but at least you got balls enough to show it to us. Being a T3 you often drop with T5 seals who don't even know how to shoot back, let alone shoot and actually hit lights in the first place. But please, keep telling us how difficult it is to farm damage and kills on such capable players.



lol Excuses? Well playing in groups compared to playing solo obviously doesn't affect your stats in any possible way. Oh wait ...



I don't care much mr.grammernazi. If you do then it might be a good idea to at least start a sentence with a capital letter.



I don't own any Locusts on a regular client. Will other lights I have satisfly your curiosity?

This is an alt account, friend.

You challenge my data, which is from two different accounts (incoming Tier 5 farming excuse - wait, it was group queue with T2 players, but group queue makes it easier somehow, but wait, I don't know what excuse to use now!), but you have NO data of your own to provide concerning the abilities of the Locust.

When I have spent over 5 6 days playing the mech, as well as many hours in other lights, you consider yourself the only relevant input here. I hope people can see your complete lack of credibility in this matter.

You want me to take you seriously? Buy some Locusts. Play them. Post the stats. I'm willing to bet that even if you did try the mech, you'd be too embarrassed to post your numbers.

Lastly, all the stats from before the resize are meant to show that the Locust was a powerful mech even back then. The resize changed fairly little. You want them to resize it back to where it was, by all means, go for it. Calling for nerfing it back to release-level performance is just spiteful. Sorry I'm not sorry that some 20 tonner ruined your pretty KDK-3 that you paid good money for.

The point about the term, "data," is one I make all the time just to try and educate. Everyone knows a sentence must start with a capital letter, but most don't know that "data" is a plural term. My mistakes are from lack of caring. Yours are from (I'm assuming, here) ignorance.

Edited by Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, 15 July 2016 - 08:05 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Lily from animove, on 15 July 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

Ah now you make up situations fitting each what you said, which therefore just meaqns if the locust below the assualt is such a bad thign for the assault, shouldn't that mean focussing on other things was the wrong choice? Sry if youc an't make out your own contradiction in there.

Sadly for you there is still no contradiction, because not being able to do anything against a Locust that stands right below you doesn't mean instant death. Yeah, there is a Locust, and it has the DPS of a Locust, it'll take him quite a while to kill an assault still. Same time there are already or soon will be Maulers, Kodiaks and alike coming to shoot your slow assault if you start running around chasing Locusts and they WILL rekt your face in a matter of seconds.

That guy clearly said that it doesn't matter and that any light kills an assault in a 1v1 situation. That clearly is wrong on too many levels.

Lily from animove, on 15 July 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

then tema up with him and play both you will then see real results at the present.without any chance to cheat screens and whatever.

I don't mind either teaming up with him or duelling him or whatever. Problem is every forumwarrior I've met here over the years suddenly disappears or has all sorts of excuses not to do it as soon as I suggest it. Kinda got used to it long ago, but if he wants, then sure.

[Lily from animove]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

Wow, yet another butthurt Locust lover who spits acid all around him the moment he hears Locust and nerf in the same sentence.

First of all, I didn't ask for trash "data" you throw at me. I clearly said that I'd like to see people do in other lights what they can NOW pull off in a Locust. If you can't follow the conversation people are having here then please refrain from misinterpreting my words.

Your "data" doesn't mean crap because your "data" doesn't show who you are you playing with and against, but please tell us more how difficult it must be to farm damage and kills in a light while having 8 buddies on comms in heavies and assaults engaging the enemy.



Yep, PSR is just an XP bar. But there is a tiny little detail .. its an XP bar for average and above average players. The fact that you are still T3 with 1000+ matches says it all really, but at least you got balls enough to show it to us. Being a T3 you often drop with T5 seals who don't even know how to shoot back, let alone shoot and actually hit lights in the first place. But please, keep telling us how difficult it is to farm damage and kills on such capable players.



lol Excuses? Well playing in groups compared to playing solo obviously doesn't affect your stats in any possible way. Oh wait ...



I don't care much mr.grammernazi. If you do then it might be a good idea to at least start a sentence with a capital letter.



I don't own any Locusts on a regular client. Will other lights I have satisfly your curiosity?

??? the stats he shows do not show WHEN he hs gotten those 1k+ matches, and the determiination of tiers does not include all games of your lifetime, just a very small part since? december 2014? Not sure at thsi anymroe, but in the end judging osmeones tier in cpomparison of his matches without knowing how many matches he did since tier data trakicn is quite unclever as it shows making random conclusion of shown data.

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:58 AM, said:

Sadly for you there is still no contradiction, because not being able to do anything against a Locust that stands right below you doesn't mean instant death.

So whats your saying now? why then even meantionign said situation when it's not an instant death and probably not such a bad thing.

yes now I need to ask what the point of many of your sentences are. they seem to eman a spcific thing, and 2 posts later mean something else. then another 3 posts later change their meaning again. Now all logic is lost which does neither make sense nor contradicts itself. It jsut questions your replies with various situatiions at all. At this point its like you are talking a lot yet saying nothing at all.

But the true fact is, that i saw locsusts doign very well ebfore the rescale. More locusts doing well after it, and if they nerf it doing still well by those doign well before. Yet they all died equally nicely when I shot at them.

Same goes for the Jenners.

and this shows there is just a "inbetween" mass those being medicore at aiming and general skill for which the changes TRULY changed anything. For the others changes were not that significant. But nerfign now stuff that has some more logical alignement as th scale, just ebcause a hue part of salty medicores say so is not good and not how to achieve balance.

Edited by Lily from animove, 15 July 2016 - 08:10 AM.

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

Lily from animove, on 15 July 2016 - 08:02 AM, said:

??? the stats he shows do not show WHEN he hs gotten those 1k+ matches, and the determiination of tiers does not include all games of your lifetime, just a very small part since? december 2014? Not sure at thsi anymroe, but in the end judging osmeones tier in cpomparison of his matches without knowing how many matches he did since tier data trakicn is quite unclever as it shows making random conclusion of shown data.

I'm just wondering why he couldn't draw the right conclusion. The first set of data is obviously from before the rescale. It shows strong Locust performance. The second set of data is from after the rescale, showing strong Adder performance. There are two options for comparison. Compare old Locust data to new Locust data and determine that it hasn't become OP all of a sudden. Or, compare new Adder data to new Locust data to show that the Locust is not a significant outlier in current light performance. The only thing I do NOT have are the current Locust data, because he can't provide those data for current Locusts completely dominating the game. Those data do not exist. So, he complains that I don't provide data that are his responsibility to provide, given that he is making the claim the current Locust is OP.

[Telemachus -Salt Wife Salt Life-]

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

The only thing I do NOT have are the current Locust data, because he can't provide those data for current Locusts completely dominating the game. Those data do not exist. So, he complains that I don't provide data that are his responsibility to provide, given that he is making the claim the current Locust is OP.

@Phoenixfire55 I think that it is now time to ask the most important question. Show us on the assault mech paperdoll where the bad locust touched you?

[PhoenixFire55]

bukidog, on 15 July 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Sure, that's fine, but my point was made in response to the argument that a mediocre heavy pilot separated from the team and with a poor loadout should be defeated by a locust. My response was to point out that the locust is not the deciding factor in those types of situations. Any light could do the same job.

Clearly it is not, however, currently it does give you an advantage over the same guy in another light. Once again, it doesn't make Locust OP, it doesn't even make it OP compared to other lights, but it is an out-of-balance situation created by an arbitrary scaling of said Locust and various factors that shouldn't be there in the first place, like hit reg.

bukidog, on 15 July 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

I was not calling out any and all heavies with any and all lights, But, say we duel, that would most likely prove the point I've made in all my earlier responses. And that is that pilot is the deciding factor. You, I notice, are T1, and if leaderboard can be used to assess an opponent, are pretty good. I'm T3 and have signed off several posts clarifying that I do not see myself as a good pilot, or bad either, probably just average. But to the point of the thread, if I bring a raven and win, does that mean the locust isn't op, if i lose does that mean it is? How many rounds makes a viable statistical sample? Anyway I'm on usually after 10 est.

The answer is nothing and nothing. Clearly there are too many factors to consider each time, like loadouts, terrain and such, above all else its really hard to find two people of equal skill to make a clean experiment.

If however we take a hundred guys and make them play a hundred matches in each of the mechs we want to compare ... you get the idea. Or we can form our opinions based on observations of what others do while fighting in said mechs or against said mechs, because given enough matches the skill of observed players, as well as other varying factors will average themselves out.