294 replies to this topic

[PhoenixFire55]

Telemachus Rheade, on 15 July 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

LOL at this guy using tier to bash valid and reasonable arguments made by someone :/. I am sorry man, now you are arguing circles and just insulting people. First you asked for stats. Then you say the stats don't matter when they are presented. Then you ask for someone's tier like that's important. Then say the person's point is not valid because of it, but still admit that PSR is just an XP bar?

Please share what you are smoking.

Tier is important in this case because clearly someone with T1 fights very different opposition on average compared to someone with T3, and even more so compared to someone with T5. The higher you go in tiers the faster light mechs evaporate in a fight, and that is a VERY important factor when discussing.

Tiers aren't making your point valid or invalid, they simply put things in perspective. A person playing in T3 would be able to do stuff that a person playing in T1 will never be able to do simply because opposition differs greatly.

As for bashing ... that guy comes into the discussion, clearly can't care less to read it all and starts throwing silly stats into my face with the ggclose attitude. What you expect me to do? LOL
And FYI, I'm yet to insult anyone in this thread ...

All I've said about tiers is true. If you don't believe me, go and read topics related to PSR, I think it really is a rare occasion when forumwarriors agree on something.

As for yourself, all the "smoking" attitude only makes your arguments far less valid. For starters pray show me a single "reasonable argument" the person in question brought up.

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

As for yourself, all the "smoking" attitude only makes your arguments far less valid. For starters pray show me a single "reasonable argument" the person in question brought up.

You don't have experience in Locusts. You don't have current Locust stats to show it is overpowered. You don't know what you are talking about. There - I've made it as clear as I can.

[PhoenixFire55]

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

This is an alt account, friend.

Clearly.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

You challenge my data, which is from two different accounts (incoming Tier 5 farming excuse - wait, it was group queue with T2 players, but group queue makes it easier somehow, but wait, I don't know what excuse to use now!), but you have NO data of your own to provide concerning the abilities of the Locust.

Well you are yet to show us all how tier 5 farming isn't a thing for your alt account. So please, keep on raging and being silly. When you are done, pray tell me what data you want from me considering I don't own Locusts on a client that gathers data.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

When I have spent over 5 6 days playing the mech, as well as many hours in other lights, you consider yourself the only relevant input here. I hope people can see your complete lack of credibility in this matter.

Funny thing is that I don't, but you'd never know that because you haven't brought a single valid argument apart from showing us some silly pictures of underhive pugstars. And if you think that opinions of people can be influenced by screaming "this guy doesn't have any credibility don't listen to him" I really pity you.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

You want me to take you seriously? Buy some Locusts. Play them. Post the stats. I'm willing to bet that even if you did try the mech, you'd be too embarrassed to post your numbers.

Gift me mechbays I'll buy all the Locusts you want. I've played them on tournament client and I don't like them, I doubt that I'd suddenly like them because of the scale difference between clients.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

Lastly, all the stats from before the resize are meant to show that the Locust was a powerful mech even back then.

LOL ... oh dear. And I think he actually believes it as well.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

The resize changed fairly little.

Riiiiiight. And if we take a Dire and suddenly make it 2 times smaller that won't change anything either. Suuuuuuure.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

You want them to resize it back to where it was, by all means, go for it.

I never said I want it. Nor did I say that I don't want it. But clearly you wouldn't know it because you don't read the discussion before making silly posts.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

Calling for nerfing it back to release-level performance is just spiteful.

I think you said that Locust was a powerful mech even before rescale. Kinda ... about 10 seconds ago. Make up your mind please.

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

Sorry I'm not sorry that some 20 tonner ruined your pretty KDK-3 that you paid good money for.

And I don't own a KDK-3 (or any KDK) either. But keep making assumptions. Your "credibility" skyrockets when you do ...

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

The point about the term, "data," is one I make all the time just to try and educate. Everyone knows a sentence must start with a capital letter, but most don't know that "data" is a plural term. My mistakes are from lack of caring. Yours are from (I'm assuming, here) ignorance.

Well forgive me for not being born in a country where the only true and valid language in existence is spoken on the streets. I must be a really horrible person for not being ashamed by it in the slightest. And of course it lowers my "credibility" even further. So very sad ...

... and so very typical coming from "your" people.

[PhoenixFire55]

Telemachus Rheade, on 15 July 2016 - 08:13 AM, said:

@Phoenixfire55 I think that it is now time to ask the most important question. Show us on the assault mech paperdoll where the bad locust touched you?

Hard to say really. They usually are dead well before I'm at the state when a Locust would be brave enough to engage me. Or I'm dead well before that because when I'm in an assault I prefer to "hide" ahead of my teammates and let them deal with the Locust threat ... After all its so much easier to wreck heavies and assaults than Locusts, I don't even need to bother aiming ... lol

[PhoenixFire55]

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 08:34 AM, said:

You don't have experience in Locusts. You don't have current Locust stats to show it is overpowered. You don't know what you are talking about. There - I've made it as clear as I can.

And you don't have experience or data playing against people who can aim mr.twinkystats. You know very well what you are talking about, but alas its irrelevant.

Anyhow. I'm done with this discussion as it once again on a verge of degrading into personal insults from the "oh-noes-don't-nerf-ma-favorite-mech" crowd.

Have fun.

Edited by PhoenixFire55, 15 July 2016 - 08:53 AM.

[Masochistic Trashcan Virtuoso]

so that means if I QQ hard enough we get UrbanMech IICs going 240kph with a gauss ?

*grin, duck, crawl away less slow*



(honestly, f... the nerf. if you pilot a light well, you can even get 3 kill most damage in a stock urbie.)

Edited by Masochistic Trashcan Virtuoso, 15 July 2016 - 08:58 AM.

[Alienized]

fact is, most assaults cant even see a locust if they stand in front of one.
i even had the problem with my mauler that i got permablocked by a locust but i simply couldnt see WHAT actually blocked me so i didnt even had the chance to move away from it.
cost me about 20% hp of it.

dont even talk about shooting locusts that just stand there and slowly pick on you. especially when your team decided to vaporize itself its a bloody pain.


now, guise, dont pick on phoenixfire. i used to do that after a few battles i had with him but we settled it on the PUG field and it was ALOT fun. we had funny banter, trash talk, insults (yesyes!) and (at least in my case) respect.
some talks about loadouts as well.
he surely knows what he talks about even if he never drove the mech itself.

some things can be seen pretty clear with a neutral mind.





dragon-1c is the best heavy anyway. ! you just have to play it in its *role* (because YES! THEY EXIST! just... no one wants to play mechs in their role because that would require quite alot of balls, brains, skills and feeling for the moments).

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

And you don't have experience or data playing against people who can aim mr.twinkystats. You know very well what you are talking about, but alas its irrelevant.

Anyhow. I'm done with this discussion as it once again on a verge of degrading into personal insults from the "oh-noes-don't-nerf-ma-favorite-mech" crowd.

Have fun.

You need to learn how averages work. You think all the new data are from your so-called "twinky dink" matches, and you pick a bone with me about making assumptions? They are almost exclusively group queue. Group queue averages PSR, and you can't run T5 matches when you have T1 or T2 players in your 2-4 man group, of which many of those matches were. You make a claim. You don't provide supporting evidence. I give you all the evidence you need to prove your point IF you come up with the missing piece, and yet you can't.

Locust at release was terrible (that was before quirks). Locust pre-scale was quite good. It was probably at its best when the 3M was the premiere variant, but the 1E eclipsed it after quirk pass #1. I am not being inconsistent. Stop projecting.

I did not insult you. I merely claimed you are ignorant and do not have the relevant data or experience to support the claim you are making. That's not ad hominem. It's the conclusions drawn from your rambling posts.

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 08:43 AM, said:

Well forgive me for not being born in a country where the only true and valid language in existence is spoken on the streets. I must be a really horrible person for not being ashamed by it in the slightest. And of course it lowers my "credibility" even further. So very sad ...

... and so very typical coming from "your" people.

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. But somehow I'm the one that's insulting? I suspect you are trying to insinuate that I am some sort of snob that looks down on others. I don't look down on people. I look down on actions, ideas, and suppositions that hold no weight in the court of rational evaluation.


ETA: Dude, if you want more Locust data from before the resize, to show it was an awesome mech, go read the 200 page Underrated Locust thread. Screenshots galore. Heck, one guy even made a Locust leaderboard in the general discussion forum BEFORE the resize. Go look that up and say how all of a sudden the Locust got OP from the resize.

You can say it's been OP for about a year, or you can say it's been pretty decent, or it just plain has sucked, but you can't say there has been a step change in its performance that occurred in the last 3 weeks (at least not without the fictitious data you so clearly need).

Edited by Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, 15 July 2016 - 09:20 AM.

[Mad Strike]

omg changes based on tears , this is so f@cking stupid.

[Alienized]

Mad Strike, on 15 July 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

omg changes based on tears , this is so f@cking stupid.

locust wont get a change because of tears but because of valid reasons.

[Desicator]

Source Mystic, on 15 July 2016 - 03:03 AM, said:

Maybe you should learn to use streaks or pulse lasers or ppc or here is a thought team work god you lazy people will be the end of this game. Same bs as usual if you can not easily deal with something you cry nerf .

No one could possibly hit a locust with PPCs that's nonhuman!!...

[Omaha]

Bleh nerf, whatever who cares ill still play one!

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

Let's do trial by combat. Phoenix, you get a Locust. I'll get a Dire Wolf. We'll see who wins.

[Alienized]

Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, on 15 July 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Let's do trial by combat. Phoenix, you get a Locust. I'll get a Dire Wolf. We'll see who wins.

thats like.... well... you know... somewhat.... derp.
i fought a lone direwolf with a myst lynx and it took awkwardly long to kill it with a single er ppc on tourmaline.

duels like that got nothing to do with skill. just with what the map prefers.
and on top of that, they prove literally nothing at all in a game where you actually have 11 mechs to work with (if they let you or at least know what they should do....).
a locust got plenty of quirks before the rescale to help it. most mechs that been considered too good (black knight, marauder etc.) got their quirks toned down with the rescale and to be honest, i was expecting that to happen with the locust there too.

mechs like the highlander cant be helped with quirks or resizing them, thats why they got such a massive bunch of quirks.
locust needed it pre rescale, doesnt need it now anymore. simple as this.

[Desicator]

PhoenixFire55, on 15 July 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

Your "data" doesn't mean crap because your "data" doesn't show who you are you playing with and against, but please tell us more how difficult it must be to farm damage and kills in a light while having 8 buddies on comms in heavies and assaults engaging the enemy.

Shhhh, don't tell him it was only 4-5 of us and mostly lights.

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

Desicator, on 15 July 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Shhhh, don't tell him it was only 4-5 of us and mostly lights.

Lights, OP. What other outcome could there have been? Everyone knows the only thing more powerful than a Locust is a dual ERPPC Adder...

Edited by Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer, 15 July 2016 - 09:41 AM.

[Stone Wall]

Aramoro999, on 13 July 2016 - 02:48 AM, said:

Did u ever try fighting them? 24 srm volleys, 6 small/med pulse, all it does is a tiny bit of dmg to it, still trying to find a counter(other then cssrm).

You ever kill one in a Jenner? I have at top speed with both mechs involved in a circle of death. I only needed lasers, but I am a MW vet.

[Blind Baku]

L3mming2, on 13 July 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

sadly you might be right, so lets unite and let the tears flow against the locusts nerf!!

But in all seriousness, IF the lct takes a hit the PGI needs to seriously rethink all IS lights, most are not in a good place. Sure a good pilot can still do good things in a firestarter, spider, panther, but you're going to burn those bridges for your noobs.

Edited by Blind Baku, 15 July 2016 - 10:10 AM.

[Blue Pheonix]

Ill put this in simple terms:

Light has advatage on slow heavy assault. Ill illustrate it as this:

Light > Assault
Medium > light
Heavy > medium
Assault > heavy

While any weight class can beat any weight class, when you use any mech, expect to be significantly advantaged againts one weight class and significantly disadvantaged againts another.

This is not a COD game where everyone beats everyone easily. This game takes a degree of strategy and teamwork. If you dont like that, stop playing this game and play something else.

A foolish assualt (even heavy) who pays little to no attention where his teamates are, wanders off and wants to solo it deserves to get destroyed by a light pilot. Unfortunately most people play the heavy and assault class so guess where most of the complaints come from? These foolish players are the ones complaining about light mechs.

PGI, stop nerfing lights! Nerfing a mech with the lowest armor and firepower. Lol. The pilot makes the mech good. Few people play lights. Those of us that do practice in them and practice often. Stop hamstringing these mechs. All is it an attempt to do is hamstring the pilots. Stop hamstringing us good pilots because weekend warriors dont want to get better!

[Dathcha the Jawa Adventurer]

Take off the 2/2/2/2 restrictions on the world championship tournament. See how many Locusts (or other lights for that matter) appear in the dropdecks.