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[Felicitatem Parco]

The Blackjack-2 is a timeline-friendly BJ variant with 4 Missile hardpoints in the Side Torsos (2 SSRM2s in each side) and a ERLL in each arm.

It is tech-friendly, too. No advanced stuff other than DHS.

This would greatly increase the versatility of the Blackjack line by introducing a missile-capable variant.

Is there any reason to not have it in the game? It could be a MC-only option for a month followed by C-Bill release if needed to cover costs.

[jss78]

I'd love it. Maybe, just maybe, it's been on hold because it'll be this autumn's Loyalty 'mech (jedi mind trick hand wave at PGI).

[El Bandito]

BJ is a good chassis and missile variant is a nice touch.

[Scout Derek]

Missile variant for the Blackjack huh?

Just make sure it has 3M hardpoints and I will be happy to say yes, for making it one of the more brawly type mediums for the Blackjack in terms of ammo based weapons.

[dervishx5]

You can't have it for the same reason we can't have the Grand Dragon: reasons.

Yeah idk why this isn't in (same with ol' Grandy). Maybe it's because it would take the place of the Hunchback or (lol) Vindicator.

[cazidin]

No new variants until PGI gives ME an update on the Command Console buff!

[Bishop Steiner]

Prosperity Park, on 15 July 2016 - 03:52 PM, said:

The Blackjack-2 is a timeline-friendly BJ variant with 4 Missile hardpoints in the Side Torsos (2 SSRM2s in each side) and a ERLL in each arm.

It is tech-friendly, too. No advanced stuff other than DHS.

This would greatly increase the versatility of the Blackjack line by introducing a missile-capable variant.

Is there any reason to not have it in the game? It could be a MC-only option for a month followed by C-Bill release if needed to cover costs.

My tweet to Russ:
"@russ_bullock Hey got some great Ideas for 2016 Loyalty Mechs: BJ-2 Blackjack & DRG-5K Grand Dragon & SMN-M Summoner? Waddya think?"

I think the loyalty stuff is among the more likely way to see these missing stand alone variants.

Procurator Derek, on 15 July 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

Missile variant for the Blackjack huh?

Just make sure it has 3M hardpoints and I will be happy to say yes, for making it one of the more brawly type mediums for the Blackjack in terms of ammo based weapons.

it has at least 4, since it packs 4x SSRM2s. And 2x ERLL.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 July 2016 - 04:46 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 15 July 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

BJ is a good chassis and missile variant is a nice touch.

not as luscious as an Assassin (mostly cuz slower) but I would totally pilot one. Been wanting it for quite some time.

[ScarecrowES]

The Warhawk-F would make one helluva loyalty mech, and without all that Summoner ickiness.

[Bishop Steiner]

ScarecrowES, on 15 July 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

The Warhawk-F would make one helluva loyalty mech, and without all that Summoner ickiness.

I would not be against he Warhawk but SMN needs the omnipod help a lot more, and it's already in the game files. So, ya know, ez-pz?

Thing is this thread is about BJ2. Go to my thread to argue merits of other Loyalty Mechs, so we don't derail PPs.

[ScarecrowES]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 July 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

I would not be against he Warhawk but SMN needs the omnipod help a lot more, and it's already in the game files. So, ya know, ez-pz?

Thing is this thread is about BJ2. Go to my thread to argue merits of other Loyalty Mechs, so we don't derail PPs.

Yeah, moved there. Thanks for the new thread. Never like highjacking someone else's.

[Felicitatem Parco]

ScarecrowES, on 15 July 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

Yeah, moved there. Thanks for the new thread. Never like highjacking someone else's.

Yes, thank you for not bogarting my BJ...


But a BJ-2 would be a nice addition to a FW Dropdeck. Like a 45 ton, squishy Griffen.

[Y E O N N E]

Prosperity Park, on 15 July 2016 - 06:48 PM, said:

Yes, thank you for not bogarting my BJ...


But a BJ-2 would be a nice addition to a FW Dropdeck. Like a 45 ton, squishy Griffen.

Squishy and slow Griffin.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 July 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

Squishy and slow Griffin.

with shoulder height lasers.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 July 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

with shoulder height lasers.

On an SRM 'Mech, not really that big of a deal especially since that's not where your firepower will be. Nice to have, though.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 July 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

On an SRM 'Mech, not really that big of a deal especially since that's not where your firepower will be. Nice to have, though.

IDK, don't see it swift (or ECM'd) enough to be a poor man's GRF-2N. I think that role still begs for the Assassin. I figure this is still more of a standoff mech, with either SRMs for Defense or 4xLRM5 for added harassment. Not a metamech anyhow.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 July 2016 - 07:11 PM, said:

IDK, don't see it swift (or ECM'd) enough to be a poor man's GRF-2N. I think that role still begs for the Assassin. I figure this is still more of a standoff mech, with either SRMs for Defense or 4xLRM5 for added harassment. Not a metamech anyhow.

It can't be a Griffin 2N, you're right. Unless they give it a higher engine cap (unlikely, but we can hope!), it would most likely be best slaved to a larger 'Mech. The use-case I'm envisioning is something like a Warhammer or Kodiak trying to trade around the corner at close range on a map like Caustic, and the BJ-2 either pops up and fires over its head or goes around the other side to sandwich with splat. It's just a subset of the Griffin's capabilities.

They alternative is maybe 2xLPL with 4xSRM2. That could be a decent PUG build, and definitely different than a GRF-2N. Certainly not meta. But then again, none of the Blackjacks currently are.

[dervishx5]

Anyone remember the TRO 3050 misprint for this thing?

Much lulz.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 July 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:

It can't be a Griffin 2N, you're right. Unless they give it a higher engine cap (unlikely, but we can hope!), it would most likely be best slaved to a larger 'Mech. The use-case I'm envisioning is something like a Warhammer or Kodiak trying to trade around the corner at close range on a map like Caustic, and the BJ-2 either pops up and fires over its head or goes around the other side to sandwich with splat. It's just a subset of the Griffin's capabilities.

They alternative is maybe 2xLPL with 4xSRM2. That could be a decent PUG build, and definitely different than a GRF-2N. Certainly not meta. But then again, none of the Blackjacks currently are.

and yet nerf-a-rama on em this patch.

PGI..ever up to date and spot on with that Nerf Bat!

dervishx5, on 15 July 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

Anyone remember the TRO 3050 misprint for this thing?

Much lulz.

Misprint?

You mean with single heat sinks?

If I recall correctly it was no typo, but was explained, along with the similar Phoenix Hawk and Panther as oversights at the factory and the Upgrades literally represented the factory fixing bad designs.

[dervishx5]

It was retconned but there was no reason given for it in the books.

The Panther 10K is still single heat sinks. Scorpion 10K got retconned too. I don't remember the Phoenix Hawk have SHS issues.