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[MadcatX]

Saw the Kodiak and Locust nerfs coming. Not overly surprised at the Blackjack even though I think they went a little overboard

Won't deny the Catapult got it good during the rescaling. But removing all structure quirks across the board? I troll these forums enough although don't really follow MW:O on reddit or twitter. Was there a lot of folks asking for a Catapult nerf?

I fully admit my bias since my founder 'pult is the favorite mech I own.

[Andi Nagasia]

i think PGI is going Threw and starting to Rebalance MWO,
the Black Jack also got, hit, its seeming they are bringing better mechs Down, and lesser mechs Up,
finding a Middle Ground instead of Just Buffing Everything, and worring about going too Far,

[FupDup]

It's the Dartboard of (Im)Balance™.

[Mole]

I saw a lot of nerfs in the patch notes that really didn't make any damn sense. I was befuddled by the Catapult nerf too. Who exactly was complaining about catapults? For that matter, who was complaining about Warhammers? Like I said in another thread, it looks like Paul tried to brain again.

[Andi Nagasia]

as i said it looks like they are trying to Balance things by Bringing better down and worse up,
instead of just bringing worse up to make better best, i think thats the Plan anyway,

[Mole]

I just wish they'd clue us in to their thought process. Maybe they have a plan in action that they are implementing in increments but it looks like they are swinging in the dark to me and a lot of other people. And with things that have happened in the past, I no longer hold any faith in PGI's ability to perform smart actions. If I knew what they were thinking, maybe it would make more sense. But they're not going to communicate that with us. They never have. They never will.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Catapult they left sitting with most of it's old quirks as well as it's Nova, so they turned them down a bit after a month of getting data. This was expected, was surprised that the Phoenix Hawk 1K got so much love, glad to see the PXH-1 getting some more structure, just kind of wished my favorite PXH-1b had gotten 3-4 more structure across the board, but, hey, I am biased, love the nasty bugger.

[Deathlike]

Despite the Catapult major shrinkage, they are still rather easy to kill. It wasn't even like the older Splatcat days where splash damage was PGI "mathematically broken".

Maybe the current Splatcat touched our balance overlord again. Maybe that sensitive spot hasn't healed.

[Y E O N N E]

Andi Nagasia, on 15 July 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

i think PGI is going Threw and starting to Rebalance MWO,
the Black Jack also got, hit, its seeming they are bringing better mechs Down, and lesser mechs Up,
finding a Middle Ground instead of Just Buffing Everything, and worring about going too Far,

They are forgetting that some 'Mechs are just so inherently good that they can't be nerfed without adding negative quirks or equipment changes (or some other major paradigm shift in the game mechanics).

[MischiefSC]

Look, we want longer TTK.

You can't do that by buffing stuff.

The real problem is how much we quirked stuff in lieu of balancing mechanics (and mechs) and drove TTK down.

Across the board nerfs are one way to increase TTK. At least in part. Ideally it'll come with some better tech balancing. You get tech balanced enough you can do wonderful stuff like unlock omni mechs.

[FupDup]

MischiefSC, on 15 July 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

Look, we want longer TTK.

You can't do that by buffing stuff.

The real problem is how much we quirked stuff in lieu of balancing mechanics (and mechs) and drove TTK down.

Across the board nerfs are one way to increase TTK. At least in part. Ideally it'll come with some better tech balancing. You get tech balanced enough you can do wonderful stuff like unlock omni mechs.

Nerfing Catapult structure quirks does not increase TTK.

The majority of the nerfs in this patch were durability and agility. If anything, that reduces the TTK.

Edited by FupDup, 15 July 2016 - 09:24 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

MischiefSC, on 15 July 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

Look, we want longer TTK.

You can't do that by buffing stuff.

The real problem is how much we quirked stuff in lieu of balancing mechanics (and mechs) and drove TTK down.

Across the board nerfs are one way to increase TTK. At least in part. Ideally it'll come with some better tech balancing. You get tech balanced enough you can do wonderful stuff like unlock omni mechs.

You increase TTK by decreasing durability?

Wat?

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 15 July 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

It's the Dartboard of Destiny™.

FTFY

[Chados]

It was fun while it lasted.

At least they can't nerf the 3N Rifleman's structure away. Because it has no structure quirks.

As for me...time to get the Dragons back out. Russ likes them. They won't get the nerfbat.

[FupDup]

Chados, on 15 July 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

As for me...time to get the Dragons back out. Russ likes them. They won't get the nerfbat.

The Nerfinator said:

Is that a challenge?

[Chados]

LOL

I hope not!

[Sigilum Sanctum]

Chados, on 15 July 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

They won't get the nerfbat.

I find your lack of foresight....disturbing.

[JediPanther]

K2 still the best catapult as long as it can mount dual ac twenty or dual guass. My other cats are retired.

[Lily from animove]

MadcatX, on 15 July 2016 - 08:49 PM, said:

Saw the Kodiak and Locust nerfs coming. Not overly surprised at the Blackjack even though I think they went a little overboard

Won't deny the Catapult got it good during the rescaling. But removing all structure quirks across the board? I troll these forums enough although don't really follow MW:O on reddit or twitter. Was there a lot of folks asking for a Catapult nerf?

I fully admit my bias since my founder 'pult is the favorite mech I own.

dunno, ame for the NVA, bot mechs are now smaller, sure, but they have stioll large enough hitboxes to hit them easily, not they cna again be oblitterated easily by anyone with aim. But as said in the other threads, the failaim mass got their salty tears dried by PGI, thats the reason and nothign of objectivity.

Sigilum Sanctum, on 15 July 2016 - 09:43 PM, said:

I find your lack of foresight....disturbing.

but he was right, PGI just manned the big nerf autocannon and left the bat in the coffer

[Elizander]

I think the changes to the Catapult and Battlemaster are alright. The durability quirks were due to them being huge and I really like the size of them now and the higher ballistic mount on the K2 is sex.