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[Aiden Skye]

Shadowcat is mostly fine. It doesn't need more Hardpoints. Not every mech should be boating guns like a Daishi. Boating is stupid. People complain about TTK but want hardpoint inflation. Whats it gonna be?

I would rather see some moderate beam duration quirks / heat dissipation quirks, some ammo quirks to better used those ballistics it can carrry, and some PPC velocity quirks.I would also like to see some Leg / Torso omnipod variants with less Jump Jets just to open up some more options.

I wouldn't say the mech is a failure on PGI's part. Most people just play them too passively and ignore the shadow part of shadowcat!

[Baulven]

W A R K H A N, on 17 July 2016 - 06:36 AM, said:

Shadowcat is mostly fine. It doesn't need more Hardpoints. Not every mech should be boating guns like a Daishi. Boating is stupid. People complain about TTK but want hardpoint inflation. Whats it gonna be?

I would rather see some moderate beam duration quirks / heat dissipation quirks, some ammo quirks to better used those ballistics it can carrry, and some PPC velocity quirks.I would also like to see some Leg / Torso omnipod variants with less Jump Jets just to open up some more options.

I wouldn't say the mech is a failure on PGI's part. Most people just play them too passively and ignore the shadow part of shadowcat!

You are wrong sir! Every mech should be able to boat like a dire wolf! The massive number of overheat explosions will be great for cooking marshmellows!

[LowSubmarino]

The shadowcat is one of the best mechs in mwo. Probably the best medium mech and one of the best mechs in the entire game.

You are only looking at hardpoints and the dmg it can swallow.

You forget that the insane mobility and agility as well as speed of this mech will provide you with firing opportunities that most other mechs can only dream of.

Big alphas, a kazillion tons of armor....all that pales into insignificance compared to the ability to actually hit your enemy when you choose to or when it is necessary all the while allowing you to get out of harms way quickly and effectively.

The shadowcat allows you to do that.

Its like a BMW among carriages in a lot of scenarios in mwo. It can be outfitted for absolutely lethal light and even medium hunter (or heavy/assault harasser) duties or as a more than efficient sniper.

I dont say it often and most certainly not concerning mechs I love.

But the shadowcat is op. So much, that I was blinking in surprise when I saw they hadnt nefed it.

As I said. It is one of the strongest mechs in the game. If you dont see that you are doing something wrong or havent realized its potential yet.

Theres no other mech that allows you to change direction (or different levels of terrain) as quickly as the shadowcat. Once you get used to it and use masc (as well as the potent jjs) instinctively you will even be able to run among heavies and assaults and disengage with minor bruising because of mascs acceleration or deceleration. Itll make aiming and hitting you much harder. In skilled hands you can avoid getting hit very well.

As if all that wasnt enough it also has ecm hehe.

Edited by oneda, 17 July 2016 - 07:26 AM.

[Cybrid 0x0t2md2w]

Carl Vickers, on 16 July 2016 - 10:24 PM, said:

Hmmm, more hardpoint inflation, yeah, just what this game really needs.

Scat is fine, I saw a guy a few matches ago get 900 damage with 2 large pulse, mech is fine.

I kill people who use meta garbage like this. I even converted my gauss kitty to cerppc and gauss with minimal armor because I hate them.

I'll add one other thing, pgi should move ONE fixed structure off an arm to the right torso, then I can use an lbx 20 like I've wanted to since the beginnin g

Edited by Cybrid 0x0t2md2w, 17 July 2016 - 08:50 AM.

[Coolant]

Shadowcat is the only mech I am aware of that has ECM, MASC and jumpjets. It's fine the way it is.

[Tordin]

ProfessorD, on 16 July 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

It would be nice if the Shadowcat could get more hardpoints, but that certainly wouldn't be "lore friendly." The Prime, A, and B variants have exactly the weapons and equipment from lore.

So, what are you even asking for? You can run your lore build just fine if you want.

Exactly. If a mech does good, theres no need at all to add lore breaking hardpoint inflation. Rather have a PGI (P) created variant with pods that others could use instead. Liek the Shadow Cat P variant (which I love, plaease buff MG!!!)

[Moonlight Grimoire]

The Shadow Cat is absolutely amazing, I love the one that I have, I run it as a 45 ton clan hunchback. 3xcERML + cAC/10 (yeah I don't use UAC's I dislike them, lack the fire discipline for them). Honestly it is a good striker, speed and mobility is it's armor, and it can be sneaky even without ECM.

Honestly the Shadow Cat can get away with a lot of things it shouldn't just due to how agile it is. That said, wouldn't mind some parts with 1 less JJ, only need 4 to jump anywhere worth while.

[MauttyKoray]

TheWatchman, on 16 July 2016 - 10:22 PM, said:

I am someone who has played MWO for quite some time and played previous mech warrior titles before that so before I begin understand I am not new to battletech.

The shadowcat in lore was a strike mech that was supposed to replace the ice ferret and was used extensively by the clans.

The Prime variant in lore had the following:

45 tons, ferro fibrous armor, 270 XL engine, 10 double heatsinks total, a gauss rifle, two medium ER-Lasers, MASC, jumpjets and an active probe. It could run 97 kph and 130 kph while using MASC.

I have mastered the shadowcat on one variant and elited another two. With MASC it doesn't reach 130 kph, using all said equipment with 2.5 tons of ammo for gauss all i can say is that the armor is not even at half. Ignoring some of the unneeded heat sinks it still does not reach a useful level of armor all round.

It goes without saying the hardpoints suck and are not lore friendly having only one missile torso and a maximum of one laser on each arm and a torso. PGI has made the shadowcat unviable as a lore mech and extremely squishy even for a medium mech. Supposedly these could fight other medium mechs on even ground but that is not the case in MWO.

In summary and TL;DR:

PGI needs to add hardpoints, increase available equipment and armor tonnage and fix run speed without MASC. All i want is a lore based shadowcat that does what it was meant to do. It's not a sniping mech, its a strike mech. Difference? Strike mechs run towards enemies. Snipers run.

make this game lore based PGI. This isn't the only mech lacking in lore friendliness.

I play it as a striker... use different equipment maybe?

[JC Daxion]

Yea, i want my 16 Small laser shadow cat from mech warrior 3... the one that i could leg a mech in 2 seconds! It wouldn't be OP,,.,, honest!

[TheWatchman]

Based on some of the things I have seen (and a lot of you bring up good points) I wish to clarify a few things:

1: I do not hate masc as it is. In fact I quite like it. I just hate it not doing quite as much as I think it should. Thats a personal thing and not necessarily something I believe must change.

2: Not all versions of the mech I disagree with. As one guy said the fit the lore perfectly and I love that! My problem lore wise is being unable to do a decent prime build based on lore. A build which i quite like.

3: While I do love its agility, it simply does not have the movement speed even with MASC to be worth the loss in durability. I would happily take the loss of durability for a speed boost but that would start losing out on the lore base which I consider the highest priority. (whilst still keeping things balanced or specialized).

I disagree with boating the mech and simply want hardpoints that make sense. 2 laser hard points on each arm option, missile hardpoint for each torso not just one. It is an omni mech therefore hardpoints should be relatively flexible.

Keep in mind it already is trading in durability and so called "agility speed" so viability for hardpoints and loadouts should be a thing. Again these are not things I am saying must be changed as this is more my personal cripe with it not living up to its reputation which was a versatile mech used by clans deadly enough to not even get a nickname from the innersphere because there were no survivors.

As for what I just read above "16 small shadowcat", yeah no mate.

[TheWatchman]

Added note: Yes it can do well but quite often thats due to skill. Theres no mech that cannot do well with enough skill in use. While it can also have Masc, ECM and jumpjets and that is a big advantage, it is as squishy as a light which is still a huge downside on a medium mech.
Don't make it a front line mech like the nova but for the love of god don't leave it competing with a lower weight class than what its actually in.

[Y E O N N E]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 16 July 2016 - 10:58 PM, said:

The Shadow Cat was never a great strike mech even in lore, one of the best configurations is the A and it definitely is meant to harass at range. Strike mechs tend to have short range weaponry, not mid-long.

That said I wouldn't mind more hardpoints, but then it competes with pretty much every other Clan medium. It just needs to be better at range to make it more unique, like PPC quirks or laser duration quirks.

Oh my god yes please to cER PPC quirks!

[InspectorG]

Paigan, on 17 July 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

Also please understand that many original BT TT rules, designs, etc. are simply moronic (e.g. all weapons having a cooldown of 10 seconds) and MUST be overhauled to make sense in a more complex, realistic, realtime environment like MWO is.

Argueing "MWO doesn't match TT" is very, VERY simplistic and wrong thinking.

This.

Basically, and no salt just observation, PGI didnt port BT rules to MWO very well.

Im guessing they didnt understand BT.

[adamts01]

oneda, on 17 July 2016 - 07:09 AM, said:

The shadowcat is one of the best mechs in mwo. Probably the best medium mech and one of the best mechs in the entire game.

Big alphas, a kazillion tons of armor....all that pales into insignificance compared to the ability to actually hit your enemy when you choose to or when it is necessary all the while allowing you to get out of harms way quickly and effectively.

That becomes less and less significant as you face better opponents. It's like the LPL Locust, it can put up impressive numbers, but it needs bad opponents and a very drawn out match to do so. When two good teams are going at it, the match is decided very quickly, and you need to be able to put out that dps in a timely fashion. Don't get me wrong, I love my Shadowcat, but it's not a top tier choice. I'm hoping that after Ghost Heat 2.0, it's limited hardpoints will be more effective, this game shouldn't have to be "big alpha or go home" or "push with dps" in top level play.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 17 July 2016 - 08:01 PM, said:

Oh my god yes please to cER PPC quirks!

Honestly, I've been against it because that was the sole thing that the Nova was supposed to be good at, but with the HBK-IIC-A infringing even on that so I don't care anymore, the Shadow Cat can at least go fast and potentially make harassing a more viable option.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 17 July 2016 - 08:56 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 17 July 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Honestly, I've been against it because that was the sole thing that the Nova was supposed to be good at, but with the HBK-IIC-A infringing even on that so I don't care anymore, the Shadow Cat can at least go fast and potentially make harassing a more viable option.

cERPPC with the Nova was never a natural combination, IMO. It worked well, but it was weird. The speed, ECM, and light armor of the Shadow Cat just just screams cERPPC to me; I never liked it with cLPL, that was just way too much exposure.

[Paigan]

InspectorG, on 17 July 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

This.

Basically, and no salt just observation, PGI didnt port BT rules to MWO very well.

Im guessing they didnt understand BT.

Do you realize that my post you quoted and agreed on says the exact opposite of what you are saying?
And it perfectly explains why what you are saying is nonsense.

Weird that you quoted it, but thanks!

[DaFrog]

W A R K H A N, on 17 July 2016 - 06:36 AM, said:

Shadowcat is mostly fine. It doesn't need more Hardpoints. Not every mech should be boating guns like a Daishi. Boating is stupid. People complain about TTK but want hardpoint inflation. Whats it gonna be?

I would rather see some moderate beam duration quirks / heat dissipation quirks, some ammo quirks to better used those ballistics it can carrry, and some PPC velocity quirks.I would also like to see some Leg / Torso omnipod variants with less Jump Jets just to open up some more options.

I wouldn't say the mech is a failure on PGI's part. Most people just play them too passively and ignore the shadow part of shadowcat!

some people play them too passively ? That from the guy spending most matches behind his teammates sniping with 2 lpls ? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

[InspectorG]

Paigan, on 18 July 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

Do you realize that my post you quoted and agreed on says the exact opposite of what you are saying?
And it perfectly explains why what you are saying is nonsense.

Weird that you quoted it, but thanks!

Dude I've always been saying that. Maybe you misread me or I didn't explain it well.

[Aiden Skye]

DaFrog, on 18 July 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

some people play them too passively ? That from the guy spending most matches behind his teammates sniping with 2 lpls ? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

that's right I forgot the only way to be agressive is to mash w and charge right on into the enemy. All fighting must be done sub 90m or else it's passive. Plz nice try.