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[Joey Tankblaster]

Not sure whether this of interest for some of you. I just uploaded the combined scores of the medium madness event into a table calculation tool and plotted the data of all pilot/mech combinations into a whisker plot (10/90 percentile, 7 outliers). Normal distribution in all groups (no accumulation of bad or great pilots in each group).

May it help you in the choice of your next chassis






You may discuss this now seriously

[James Warren]

I think before jumping to any conclusions we have to remember that the data shows how well 'mechs score high in PGI's tournament points system, and not necessarily how competitive they are in regular matches.

That said, I'm genuinely surprised to see the Cicada so high.

[Kmieciu]

The score formula put heavy emphasis on solo kills and doing damage in a 12 player PUG enviroment.
That's where builds like HBK-IIC (3xC-LPL) or Shadowcat (2xC-LPL) could shine. Stay back 600 meters and farm damage.
IS mediums can't really compete at that range. (3xERLL is heavier than 2xC-LPL and has a longer duration).

That does not mean the HBK-IIC and Shadowcat are the best in every scenario.
In scouting they get chewed by super-quirked IS brawlers. No matter the loadout, they cannot outbrawl a HBK-4SP.
In a 1vs1 situation I would bet on a Wolverine or even a Trebuchet rather than the Shadowcat.

Edited by Kmieciu, 21 July 2016 - 03:44 AM.

[Johnny Z]

I think the Crab could have been higher. Same with the Phoenix Hawk. Other than that, no surprises. Clan easy mode still rules.

[Joey Tankblaster]

I think what James wrote is perfecty right. It shows a mechs ability to score high in the tournament system. Despite of that there are of course more variables we don't know. However, some mechs are plotted exactly at the right position (Nova, Phoenix Hawk, Ice Ferret).

[adamts01]

Kmieciu, on 21 July 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

No matter the loadout, they cannot outbrawl a HBK-4SP.
In a 1vs1 situation I would bet on a Wolverine or even a Trebuchet rather than the Shadowcat.

Good thing for Clans everyone camps and pokes just about every match.

[DovisKhan]

Well I'm not surprised abou Phoenix Hawk at all, I killed a whole lance of them 1 by 1 in canyon in my Enforcer, of course if they worked as a team they'd have chewed me up 4 v 1, but still it tells a lot about how crappy the mech is, cause I can't imagine doing that to 4 Novas, heck, even one Nova is a hard nut to crack

[Hit the Deck]

Joey Tankblaster, on 21 July 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

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You may discuss this now seriously

Clan still OP plz nerf?

Seriously, thanks for your work! I'm honestly happy with the HBK-IIC performing so well because it's unquirked! Now we have a legit baseline medium 'Mech for the other Mediums to be compared to/with (not sure about the correct preposition English is hard).

[PhoenixFire55]

adamts01, on 21 July 2016 - 04:04 AM, said:

Good thing for Clans everyone camps and pokes just about every match.

But but, its because clans are so OP! So in order to beat em we have to play their game until we beat them they are nerfed by our tears.

[Kmieciu]

adamts01, on 21 July 2016 - 04:04 AM, said:

Good thing for Clans everyone camps and pokes just about every match.

Most do, in quick play solo queue.
But in group queue? Scouting? Invasion? You can push with DPS/brawling mechs and mop the floor with campers.

[adamts01]

Kmieciu, on 21 July 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Most do, in quick play solo queue.
But in group queue? Scouting? Invasion? You can push with DPS/brawling mechs and mop the floor with campers.

I refuse to acknowledge CW as a playable product. But group que, really? I see no more coordination there than solo que.

[El Bandito]

Kmieciu, on 21 July 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

The score formula put heavy emphasis on solo kills and doing damage in a 12 player PUG enviroment.
That's where builds like HBK-IIC (3xC-LPL) or Shadowcat (2xC-LPL) could shine. Stay back 600 meters and farm damage.
IS mediums can't really compete at that range. (3xERLL is heavier than 2xC-LPL and has a longer duration).

That does not mean the HBK-IIC and Shadowcat are the best in every scenario.
In scouting they get chewed by super-quirked IS brawlers. No matter the loadout, they cannot outbrawl a HBK-4SP.
In a 1vs1 situation I would bet on a Wolverine or even a Trebuchet rather than the Shadowcat.

Actually HBK-IIC-B with 4xASRM6 + 2 SPLs can outbrawl even the HBK-4SP, provided both players are competent.

[mogs01gt]

I would have played, the Cents would be number 1.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

El Bandito, on 21 July 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

Actually HBK-IIC-B with 4xASRM6 + 2 SPLs can outbrawl even the HBK-4SP, provided both players are competent.

It's a good thing you have a team then, the 4SP is great for leading a push and getting people to waste shots on it, but that is in a coordinated environment.