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[Foxwalker]

It is funny, but I don't understand the aversion a large portion of the player base has to actually communicating with each other in game. I am taking about PUG matches not grouped. When I work with my team we use TS along with in-game chat and work together.

Often PUG matches go without a single word uttered. When the team actually talks to each other and communicates, a wondrous thing often happens.. ----wait for it ---

WE WIN!

Silly little thing like that.. hmmm...

But some would rather not speak, and will will not say anything and I guess wonder why after they are killed and type out, why did no one help me? That is the other thing that is strange to me. Typing as a substitute for talking. Sorry, I don't text and drive in the non-game world, why would I stop to type when my hands are busy actually moving and shooting, ya know, controlling my MECH. My hat is off to the player that can do both at the same time well. Unfortunately, I don't often have time to read through the typed chatter.

I apologize for the tone of this, I get that some for one reason or another cannot use voice, but I would think the majority of the player base could speak if they were inclined. Headsets are cheap. Anyway just my 2 cents.

Parrot Joke....

A man gets a parrot, but for some reason, it won't talk. He goes to the pet store, and the manager there immediately knows what's wrong.
"Parrots won't talk unless they have some sort of physical interaction. What you need is one of these here ladders that fit in the cage. He'll climb the ladder, hop around a bit, and then start to talk. Promise."
But a week goes by, the parrot hops around the ladder alright, but still doesn't talk. The manager isn't quite so confident this time. "But I'm sure that if you buy this little bell, the parrot will talk this time. He'll climb up the ladder, hop around on it, ring the bell, and then talk."
Alas, the parrot still refuses to talk for a week. The man is getting kind of annoyed with the pet store, for wasting his money on silly toys that don't get the parrot to talk. "Isn't there anything," he complains. "That I can get for my parrot that he actually needs? I go home every day and tell him what the things I got for him at the pet store are for, but he refuses to talk."
The manager looks very carefully at the company's guidelines for parrots, not wanting to lose a customer. "Sir," he says after leafing through the book. "I know exactly what to do. You need to buy a mirror, and put it in front of the bell at the top of the ladder. Your parrot will hop up the ladder, ring the bell, look in the mirror, and begin to talk because he thinks he's talking to another parrot. It's foolproof."
The next day, the man comes back into the pet store. "Well, my parrot died."
The manager is shocked. "And he didn't say anything the entire time he was alive?"

"Well, he did say one thing, right before he died." "FOOD"

[El Bandito]

Yesterday I played on EU prime time. Told the team some basic advice at the start of the match, and immediately one douche replied with "Заткнись сука". Someone must have pissed in his vodka. Tis a shame that my ping is twice as good in EU than NA server, as EU players are less willing to communicate.

[RestosIII]

Ever heard of being mic shy, or not having a mic? I have a mic, but I just make do with extremely fast typing and my amazing wit. Barring wit, PPCs. PPCs solve all your problems.

[LordNothing]

i prefer textual communication. my voice sucks and im pretty sure i got some kind of audio dyslexia where i say words in wrong order. i sound kind of like a drunk yoda. textual communication i come out clear, and i type fast so its not a big deal.

mics are for singing homoerrotic judas preist songs when you are really drunk.

Edited by LordNothing, 25 July 2016 - 08:48 PM.

[adamts01]

This bothers me too. For such a teamwork oriented game I just don't understand why people are so unwilling to work together. Most other games don't require focus fire, formations, positioning.... all the MWO stuff. Why don't they play other games where they can Yolo all the time and their personal performance matters more? Squad has a community that talks and works together, it's crazy how this community just refuses. I just started playing Planetside 2 and getting a group together there is the greatest thing ever. 300 vs 300 vs 300 all over a MASSIVE map. A dozen smaller battles going on at once. Both of those games have incredible voice too, you don't even need teamspeak. Separate hot keys and chat for Unit, Platoon, Squad and Local, pretty incredible. If Planetside 2 had mechs and you could move servers, I'd never play anything else. Having an Air squad support two infantry squads and an armored squad in a 100 person push is insanely kickass. I'm giving Mechwarrior a couple months off to let them fix lights, then we'll see how it's doing.

[Davers]

Don't you know? Everyone is an expert with a tried and proven super powerful, but non meta, build who knows exactly what to do at all times. Who needs to talk?

[GreyNovember]

What, you're perfectly comfortable with speech?

Great. Good for you. I hope it goes well.

The rest of us who aren't get off better with quick fingers.

[Foxwalker]

GreyNovember, on 25 July 2016 - 10:06 PM, said:

What, you're perfectly comfortable with speech?

Great. Good for you. I hope it goes well.

The rest of us who aren't get off better with quick fingers.

See, that is the attitude. But, I can tell you most games with teammates calling locations and shots are winners. Those without are often lost. If you like losing, keep typing and not talking.

As I said earlier, I do understand that there are some that cannot talk for various reasons. Maybe sleeping wife and kids. Maybe some other good reason. But I would guess the majority could talk and just don't. It is a shame. As Adamst01 said, this game pretty much requires cooperation for a win, often speaking is a key component for obtaining it. Thanks.

[Rhaythe]

If you want your team to communicate, then communicate yourself. If you want things to change, then change something.

[Precentor Ward]

Sometimes no one talks and the team loses, sometimes the talk and you win. Seems like cherry picking though..

I can think of more then just a few quick matches where my team was full of pugs from different units or no unit at all, everyone functionally mute, with almost the entire enemy team one unit whom I know use TS for comms, And they got steam rolled by non vocal pugs. It happens both ways.

Some people are just not comfortable talking the whole time. Plus there is usually one tryhard wanting to leaderfag every game and most people are happy to listen even if they don't contribute verbally. Different strokes for different folks.


Now a more important issue with comms would be people using the ingame voip for personal conversations or impromptu 'comedy shows'... That nonsense is waaaaaay worse then silence.

[jjm1]

I understand a lot of people turn voice comm off. I don't even blame them once you hear the girly bickering from a couple of butthurts wind up their turbocharged whines.

I leave my mic off in pugs basically because ICBF. But I'll listen if someone good takes control and doesn't give out a dumb instruction like push face first into their charlies.

Edited by jjm1, 26 July 2016 - 04:33 AM.

[adamts01]

GreyNovember, on 25 July 2016 - 10:06 PM, said:

What, you're perfectly comfortable with speech?

Great. Good for you. I hope it goes well.

The rest of us who aren't get off better with quick fingers.

I'm terrible at multitasking, I can't even listen to the radio when I'm driving, I'm sure I've got some kind of thing going on in my head.... I don't know. Anyway, I flat out don't recognize anything in chat. I'm sure a lot of people who didn't grow up with PC games are the same way. I'm not a shy person, but I do understand that some are. But seriously, screw anyone for talking **** to someone because they stutter, have shotty English, sound like drunk Yoda, or whatever. They're just sad internet losers, taking out their anger at strangers on a video game.

Rhaythe, on 26 July 2016 - 03:42 AM, said:

If you want your team to communicate, then communicate yourself. If you want things to change, then change something.

That's cool communication with PUGs works on your planet. I'm happy for you.

[Navid A1]

From what i saw in my quick matches, when I know 50% of the players on both teams, talking leads to winning.

When the team is a mishmash of strangers, talking increases the chance of losing.

There is always the new player(s) who spreads his flawed strategy, just because he is a vocal player and played other team based games and thinks normal FPS game strategy applies everywhere.

Edited by Navid A1, 26 July 2016 - 04:33 AM.

[GreyNovember]

I'm going to go ahead and assume the heavily introverted of us are much more comfortable with not hearing themselves speak; and we grew up with written and typed language being more efficient than vocalization.

The more aggressive people are comfortable with their voices, and are more inclined to use speech, as that's how they would normally communicate when being social.

Someone typing out " UAC Dire, Target B, D5 ", I'd argue, is more discernible than someone mentioning it in passing. At least we can look twice at it once it's been typed out.

[KinLuu]

If I PUG, I play with music. Simple as that. If I wanted to play serious, I would not PUG anyways.

[Mawai]

Hi!

I agree with you that coordination and team work are probably the best way to win and that these are much more likely when the team uses the voice chat to communicate.

However, there are quite a few reasons folks do not chat.
- they don't speak english
- they don't speak english very well
- they have been teased or dissed for their ability to speak english
- they have been teased or dissed for their accent
- they are female ... too many male players make inappropriate remarks when faced with a real life female (very dumb I know)
- they don't have a mic
- they feel self-conscious about saying anything
- they don't feel confident enough to say anything ... I've listened to folks make a suggestion and then been offensively criticized by someone who did not agree
- someone tries to TK them because they say something (this sounds really dumb but before voice chat I occasionally used text to encourage folks to group up, meet at location X, etc and another player took offense at the even minor suggestions I made and tried to TK me ... they had some sort of extreme authority issue).
- lots of other reasons ...


Basically, opening your mouth on voice chat with a bunch of strangers is a risk. Usually if someone breaks the ice there are several who are also willing to join in and participate but until someone makes the first comment and there are calm and normal responses ... lots of people often figure it is just not worth it being the first.

Also, consider what you said ..

"Often PUG matches go without a single word uttered"

If you are playing through a PUG match in which not a single word is uttered ... you are part of the problem since you didn't say anything either ... so ask yourself WHY NOT? That might give you part of the answer as to why the rest are also not saying anything. Most often, if someone breaks the ice, then others respond but being the first to say something is part the challenge and the "risk" since you never know whether you will have a nice chat (95% of the time) or get verbally abused (5%) ... and it only takes one or two experiences of the latter to completely deter chatting.

[Bilbo]

I really don't think you want drunk Bilbo on comms.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I would sure prefer people were not mike shy. Nothing worse than having everybody in a solo match stay silent. Don't care if you sound like a woodpecker. Just get in there.

Edited by Mudhutwarrior, 26 July 2016 - 06:57 AM.

[Chuck Jager]

I have TS enabled for my group and it does not play well with the in game TS mic.

I can go through all of the options and get it to finally sync up only to have it reset later.

Less BS comes out of me when I type. I figure typing is thinking before you speak.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Chuck Jager, on 26 July 2016 - 07:18 AM, said:

I have TS enabled for my group and it does not play well with the in game TS mic.

I can go through all of the options and get it to finally sync up only to have it reset later.

Less BS comes out of me when I type. I figure typing is thinking before you speak.

That's probably the most truthful part of this conversation. You have team players in pug matches and its bothersome to switch. It doesn't cross your mind that your trashing the experience for solo players. Or that you could do a lot to lead a match and teach. It just fun to club baby seals.

That's really the big issue here.