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[El Bandito]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 July 2016 - 05:13 AM, said:

I think one knows they are doing well when they uninstall the game. Seems of those I talk to who left none of them miss it. They miss the concept sure but not the implementation.

A lack of progression in this game assures these questions you pose. How do i know I am doing well? You really can't unless you lie to yourself.

Then I guess you are not doing well.

[XX Sulla XX]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 July 2016 - 05:13 AM, said:

I think one knows they are doing well when they uninstall the game. Seems of those I talk to who left none of them miss it. They miss the concept sure but not the implementation.

A lack of progression in this game assures these questions you pose. How do i know I am doing well? You really can't unless you lie to yourself.

What? It is pretty easy to tell if you are doing well.

[Mudhutwarrior]

XX Sulla XX, on 28 July 2016 - 05:54 AM, said:

What? It is pretty easy to tell if you are doing well.

Are you blind? What is this thread about then?

There is no progression here. None. Tiers are not doing the job. Of course your sitting at the top so you lie to yourself. That's natural. Just try removing yourself from that ivory tower for a bit. It may have come easy for you and your lucky if it did. For others though it may not and there is no reassurance for them. Think about it. That is the failure here and if you cannot accept the failure you will never over come them.

[Idealsuspect]

Well tier arent doing the job but when you lose a game if your PSR go down it's obviously a direct proof that you didnt perform well during this match.

If your PSR go down every match you lose it's a proof you don't perform well in overall.

Edit : If your PSR go down 90-95% of total matchs you lose, it's a proof you don't perform well in overall.

Edited by Idealsuspect, 28 July 2016 - 06:32 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 July 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

It may have come easy for you and your lucky if it did

Tiers coming easy has nothing to do with luck.

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 July 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

. For others though it may not and there is no reassurance for them. Think about it. That is the failure here and if you cannot accept the failure you will never over come them.

If you blame everyone and everything around yourself then you shouldn't have any reassurance in the first place. First and utmost failure lies within you, can't change that. When you yourself are doing well then your own performance is reassurance enough.

[JaxRiot]

Im assuming that the OP is referring to QP, so I will go with that..

Personally I say that if Im regularly doing 250 to 300 damage then Im doing ok and contributing. Anything more than that and Im doing good.

But I dont rely on KDR's or Win Loss Ratios in QP because so much depends on how the other people in your PUG are performing that greatly affects those.

And PSR is a lie. It has very little to do with your actual skill level.

Edited by JaxRiot, 28 July 2016 - 11:21 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

Kithmar, on 27 July 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

Hey everyone. I've been wondering just how good or bad of a pilot I am in MechWarrior Online. I'm finding it hard to find a point to judge myself against.
I don't play terribly to often, maybe 2-3 times a week doing a 3-4 matches each session.
I tend to win more often than I lose, my KDR is near 1.00. The last two weeks I've been doing about 350-400 damage each match with the same 'Mech. A slightly altered Summoner Prime.

I don't care about the "meta" or what build is better, or what 'Mech is better. I don't care if LRM's are for noobs, or the LB-X 10 is bleh. My 'Mech builds aren't in question,
I'm just looking for some help in finding a direction to judge my personal improvement as a pilot.
So let me know, what stats or game play elements do you look at to judge yourself?

INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

13 games played, 3.33 win/loss ratio and average match score of 224. You do little damage and most likely play in groups in the group queue.

That Summoner is capable of pumping out 500 damage or so on average in the solo PUG queue. Rock that queue hard for a few weeks and come back and ask us again--but only after you have played 100 - 200 more solo only games.

JaxRiot, on 28 July 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

Im assuming that the OP is referring to QP, so I will go with that..

Personally I say that if Im regularly doing 250 to 300 damage then Im doing ok and contributing.

Anything less than 500 damage on average is sub-par.

[Mudhutwarrior]

PhoenixFire55, on 28 July 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

Tiers coming easy has nothing to do with luck.



If you blame everyone and everything around yourself then you shouldn't have any reassurance in the first place. First and utmost failure lies within you, can't change that. When you yourself are doing well then your own performance is reassurance enough.

I do quite well considering my abilities. The two best things to help me improve was getting my vision back and a new computer an large monitor. They made the most difference. Since the tiers I have neither moved up or down. I stay right were i did from the start. If what is said is true about tiers I have found my top. Might be a short climb to tier 2 if I ever decided to run with a team as i am almost a 2 already. But why change, why join the everybody is the same crowd? I like solo as it affords variety more than any team kill kill can.

But one thing I understood early and that is tiers have a lot to do with luck. Lucky to be good at twitch. Lucky to have a good internet connection. Lucky to afford the best gaming system and peripherals. I certainly don't buy the whole skill thing as I have killed many 1s and 2s including big names here on the forums with their fancy badges and team destinations. If I listen to many of you it is said every one gets to tier one eventually so how is that skill?

I just think many are short in the waistline and need to make up for it being big man in a video game forums. The problem with most of you guys that despise me is I see through all the bluster and posturing. I know what most of you really are in context and I hold the mirror. Pretty fun too. almost as much as in game.

[XX Sulla XX]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 July 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

Are you blind? What is this thread about then?

There is no progression here. None. Tiers are not doing the job. Of course your sitting at the top so you lie to yourself. That's natural. Just try removing yourself from that ivory tower for a bit. It may have come easy for you and your lucky if it did. For others though it may not and there is no reassurance for them. Think about it. That is the failure here and if you cannot accept the failure you will never over come them.

Uhh OK. But between leaderboards and other information we have including the forums its pretty easy to get a feel for how you are doing. I think average KDR is .80. The very top people on the top teams tend to have KDRs that are high like 4-6 range along with top players even if they are not on top teams. What I consider good players should be able to keep KDRs around 2.0 and up. There will of course be some extreme outliers higher in the 10 or so KDR range. (Not counting the people playing a tiny number of games or doing secondary accounts to get extreme KDRS.) And yes KDR and win loss ratio is probably the best indicator if you play lots of games.

We have a huge tournament going with a large number of teams and we have a leaderboard with every players stats. And we have people on the forums that have gone through the stats and got the averages etc. So ya its not that hard to tell how you are doing compared to the rest of the player base.. Shoot you can even compare how you are doing by weightclass. And in future probably by mech.

Oh and as for getting better the simple trick is to find top players in the game and ask for help and take their advice. I have seen several players come in to this game and get with the right group of people and take advise and play smart and make amazing progress. Many groups like Emp also have special times and days when they help any one who wants to stop by and play with them. And most of the top players are more than happy to help any one that asks for it.

Also most of the people I see not improve do so because they choose not to. They choose not to seek out good advice. Or they tend not to take good advice. Or they are playing with some self imposed handicap like only wanting to play 4th rate builds and in a very noneffective way. Although if it makes some one happy to play that way fine. Although I have seen lots of people playing that way claiming its the best way to play and telling new players its how it should be done.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 28 July 2016 - 11:56 AM.

[Felio]

Match score is probably a better metric than damage or even W:L and KDR, but I would say that if you are having fun you are good enough. If you were bad, you would be doing poorly and be unlikely to enjoy your time playing.

Can anyone find that thread with statistics and graphs from the leaderboard stats? We could get some median numbers from that if anyone is really having epeen anxiety.

[XX Sulla XX]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 July 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

I do quite well considering my abilities. The two best things to help me improve was getting my vision back and a new computer an large monitor. They made the most difference. Since the tiers I have neither moved up or down. I stay right were i did from the start. If what is said is true about tiers I have found my top. Might be a short climb to tier 2 if I ever decided to run with a team as i am almost a 2 already. But why change, why join the everybody is the same crowd? I like solo as it affords variety more than any team kill kill can.

But one thing I understood early and that is tiers have a lot to do with luck. Lucky to be good at twitch. Lucky to have a good internet connection. Lucky to afford the best gaming system and peripherals. I certainly don't buy the whole skill thing as I have killed many 1s and 2s including big names here on the forums with their fancy badges and team destinations. If I listen to many of you it is said every one gets to tier one eventually so how is that skill?

I just think many are short in the waistline and need to make up for it being big man in a video game forums. The problem with most of you guys that despise me is I see through all the bluster and posturing. I know what most of you really are in context and I hold the mirror. Pretty fun too. almost as much as in game.

Its really not luck. This game is not a twitch game. Its not about internet connection (See Juju as an example.). Its also not about the computer system. Again Juju is a good example for that since I just mentioned him. Its also not about peripherals. What I see is a lot of excuses. I know for a fact none of them are true. Really this game is much more about positioning than it has ever been about twitch.

And umm at least speaking for myself I do not hate you. I dont even know you. And unless you were being a huge jerk in the game or in Teamspeak I would have no reason to dislike you.

[Brain Cancer]

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I do quite well considering my abilities.

This is not the same as doing well, however. Your stats are sub-par and "considering my abilities" never won a match. At an average of 160ish match score, it means that you end up going down a bit on every loss and gaining a similar (slightly larger) small amount on every win.

Because you basically lose five games to every four won this locks you in a near holding pattern on Tier. And your K/D points to part of that too- you don't kill things very often (about once every two games played) , you don't deal much damage (the low average match score) either.

You may be doing well compared to yourself. You are likely not doing well compared to your team.

[Kithmar]

First, Thanks for all the replies. I didn't think this topic would get this much attention.

Second,

XX Sulla XX, on 28 July 2016 - 12:47 AM, said:

I think you need to say what your goals are. You seem to have a bit of a contradiction going. You talk about damage, KDR and winning. Then you say you do not care about the tools to do that. So which is it? Mech choice and loadout choice directly effects damage, KDR and wins. And if you are running bad builds on bad mechs its hard to compare your performance to other people. If you are running an all flamer light as an extreme example your optimal average damage, KDR and wins will be very different than some one running a good build on the the best light mechs.

Another thing you have to figure out is who do you want to compare your stats to. Are you shooting to be average or at the top or some place in between?

I think my objective for this topic was pretty clear; looking for assistance in determining ways to check myself for improvement. I brought up damage, KDR and winning because those are metrics I've seen most people using. Do I care if I do 200 damage or 1000 damage? Not really. (Though we all grin a little when we see we're really dishing out the pain.) I care if I'm improving. Did you read the last sentence of my original post? I asked how other measure themselves.

Third,

Mister Blastman, on 28 July 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

13 games played, 3.33 win/loss ratio and average match score of 224. You do little damage and most likely play in groups in the group queue.

That Summoner is capable of pumping out 500 damage or so on average in the solo PUG queue. Rock that queue hard for a few weeks and come back and ask us again--but only after you have played 100 - 200 more solo only games.



Anything less than 500 damage on average is sub-par.

Your post comes off as rather elitist. But whatever. I didn't ask if I was doing well. I don't give a crit gyro about your opinion on my performance. If you read my post you'd see I had asked how others measure themselves.

Edited by Kithmar, 28 July 2016 - 02:09 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

Kithmar, on 28 July 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

First, Thanks for all the replies. I didn't think this topic would get this much attention.

Second,


I think my objective for this topic was pretty clear; looking for assistance in determining ways to check myself for improvement. I brought up damage, KDR and winning because those are metrics I've seen most people using. Do I care if I do 200 damage or 1000 damage? Not really. (Though we all grin a little when we see we're really dishing out the pain.) I care if I'm improving. Did you read the last sentence of my original post? I asked how other measure themselves.

No worries in the end you have to play in a way that is fun for you. Although really the mech is less important than positioning. Its just that the worse the mech/loadout the more important things like positioning and aim become.

Any way ya looking at KDR and winning and trying to improve those numbers should help. Also though look at top players on twitch and youtube and play with them if you can. Learning good positioning etc does not mean you cant still run "fun" builds. But it does mean you are better when you do. There are a wide variety of things people can improve on including myself that does not involve "meta mechs".

[Slicer]

Tier makes a huge difference too. When i was in Tier 4 i felt like a god of war. Blasting fools left and right and occasionally having a hard game (when my team is complete garbage). Hitting T3 has given me a mixed bag. If i drop in a meta mech i do fine individually, doesnt matter who my opposition is, at least i'll tear some **** up whether i go down or not. If i DONT drop in a meta mech, then im much more at the mercy of the MM and how bad my team potentially is. Once i nerf my carry ability i have to rely on my team to not melt at the slightest amount of pressure and since im in a non badass mech i cant just tear into a flank on my own or hold a position by myself (looks at Dakkabear).

Im thankfully not utterly tanking my stats now that ive been in T3 for awhile, so at least i know im holding my own enough and doing well. Will be very interesting to see what happens when i jump up to T2, which should happen very soon since im like 10% away.

Also im an old OB veteran that took a 2 year break. Was fun when i came back and was placed into T4 halfway to T3 to start (my ELO was very high due to 4man stomping im guessing). Now i gotta earn my wins, kills, and damage. Which technically is as it should be.

[Mister Blastman]

Kithmar, on 28 July 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

Your post comes off as rather elitist. But whatever. I didn't ask if I was doing well. I don't give a crit gyro about your opinion on my performance. If you read my post you'd see I had asked how others measure themselves.

Correction: I'm an elitist pig. And I like it.

[MOBAjobg]

My expectation is to achieve a minimum of 251 match score for a defeat and a minimum of 401 ms for a victory.

I always look forward to play against the enemy team that drops in with a top pilot such as VictoriaSeymore during solo quick play games. There will be games where we are in the same team and I'll try to be the 2nd best placed pilot based on match score.

Playing with and against top pilots are the most rewarding match experience for me if I'd contributed significantly for my team ...win or lose, doesn't matter!

[Novakaine]

When someone calls you a lowdown dirt........
Ya know ya dun did gud.

[ShoeKush]

I like running fun builds. My heavy metal sported dual AC5s, a triplet of medwubs, and an SRM 6. I just recently converted over 50000xp from that mech and piloting that is something I enjoy. Why stop?

Same with my Dual ERPPC Warhammer with an LBX10. Sure, alpha of 30, but it runs so cool it can 1-2 the ppcs (avoiding ghost heat) for a fairly long time. I've thought about improving that, but again, it's a joy to pilot.

Skill is knowing best how to use your chosen weapons platform. Haven't mastered the Wubhammer yet, but am trying that as my meta WHM-6D build. I do terrible with it, but it is true you can sneeze and hit 300dmg with 3 hvyubs and 4 medwubs.

[PyckenZot]

Novakaine, on 28 July 2016 - 11:30 PM, said:

When someone calls you a lowdown dirt........
Ya know ya dun did gud.

Similarly, when people ask for 1v1. You know they think you're better then them.