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[Snowbluff]

cazidin, on 02 August 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

But how will I continue to support the development of the game if I don't unwisely invest my money?

You can buy more mechs for the same amount of money. It's not like the robits are a physical commodity. There's no cost to them per mech.

[Idealsuspect]

Prosperity Park, on 02 August 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Warning:. DO NOT BUY THE SPIRIT BEAR FOR MC.

The Spirit Bear hero Mech is available for in game purchase with MC, however it costs over 7,000 MC. You can buy 6500 MC for $30 US Dollars, but you can buy the Kodiak Pack with a Spirit Bear Hero add-on for $35.

So, buy the pack and add-on to get 4 Mechs with 4 Mechbays for $35. Do not use over $30 worth of MC to buy a single Mech with no mechbay.

This PSA brought to you by the MWO Player Community.

And if you buy a hero with MC you have to pay for additional mechbay when if you buy pack you get mechbays for everymech you did buy.
Also good plan to buy by website store. Nice topic!

cazidin, on 02 August 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

But how will I continue to support the development of the game if I don't unwisely invest my money?

Héhé
( it seem some people can't get the sarcasm in the post even you put some big obvious smiley )

Edited by Idealsuspect, 02 August 2016 - 03:05 PM.

[Sagamore]

Ever since the new mech pack model was announced I told myself I'd get c-bill versions and 50% off heroes only. So far it's worked out great for the Warhammer.

[Deathlike]

You could've just said... because math.

Ironically, Clan Omnimechs under the new system (Viper) are $20 flat whereas previous Omnimechs were effectively $30 each (assuming you bought an entire pack).

Still wouldn't bother with MC unless the Spirit Bear is on a 50% off sale (soon™).

[Tina Benoit]

OP is right! Buying from the Package is the better deal + it comes with bonuses as some of you have mentioned.

However we have a specific formula when it comes to the pricing of Hero Mechs in MC which is dependent on their tonnage amount.
You could also consider the advantage of buying it for MC if you were to already have some MC saved up/leftover or maybe even from giveaways/events you've won some from etc..
Unfortunately however we won't be able to make the Spirit Bear an exception from the MC pricing formula we have for every Hero Mech in-game already.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Tina Benoit, on 02 August 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

OP is right! Buying from the Package is the better deal + it comes with bonuses as some of you have mentioned.

However we have a specific formula when it comes to the pricing of Hero Mechs in MC which is dependent on their tonnage amount.
You could also consider the advantage of buying it for MC if you were to already have some MC saved up/leftover or maybe even from giveaways/events you've won some from etc..
Unfortunately however we won't be able to make the Spirit Bear an exception from the MC pricing formula we have for every Hero Mech in-game already.

That does make sense. However, you might want to visit how Invasion Mechs and Resistance Mech packs are priced. For instance, you can buy an Arctic Cheetah invasion pack for significantly cheaper than buying an Arctic Cheetah Mech pack a la carte.

There are quite a few of these Buyer Beware pitfall instances...

Edited by Prosperity Park, 02 August 2016 - 04:42 PM.

[Dirkdaring]

You buy cat?

50 MSK.

[RestosIII]

Prosperity Park, on 02 August 2016 - 04:41 PM, said:

There are quite a few of these Buyer Beware pitfall instances...

If you don't think that's on purpose, you're naive or in denial. They only gain from those situations, so of course they'd make sure they exist.

[cazidin]

Prosperity Park, on 02 August 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Easy, just spend it on.....


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MECHPACKS! That is the whole point of this thread, after all.

But I don't want to buy another mechpack!

[Carl Vickers]

Prosperity Park, on 02 August 2016 - 04:41 PM, said:

That does make sense. However, you might want to visit how Invasion Mechs and Resistance Mech packs are priced. For instance, you can buy an Arctic Cheetah invasion pack for significantly cheaper than buying an Arctic Cheetah Mech pack a la carte.

There are quite a few of these Buyer Beware pitfall instances...

Umm, why would they?

If someone is silly enough not to notice, cha ching, PGI making more monies, call it an idiot tax.

Just remember PGI, businesses that dont look at whats going on and stand firm like rocks when there are issues tend to sink like rocks as well.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 02 August 2016 - 05:34 PM.

[Drunken Skull]

Is there a limit to the number of MC-Only mechs of a particular type one can purchase? For example, if I bought the Archer pack and paid the extra $15 for the Tempest, am I able to purchase another Tempest for MC, or am I limited to the one Tempest?

Edited by Drunken Skull, 02 August 2016 - 05:54 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Tina Benoit, on 02 August 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

OP is right! Buying from the Package is the better deal + it comes with bonuses as some of you have mentioned.

However we have a specific formula when it comes to the pricing of Hero Mechs in MC which is dependent on their tonnage amount.
You could also consider the advantage of buying it for MC if you were to already have some MC saved up/leftover or maybe even from giveaways/events you've won some from etc..
Unfortunately however we won't be able to make the Spirit Bear an exception from the MC pricing formula we have for every Hero Mech in-game already.

Doesn't make it any better a system just because you use math to figure it out.


Selling something at the front door for $35 by itself and for $30 as a package with other stuff included out the backdoor just make you (PGI) look bad. You are setting yourselves up for defeat and backlash. Misinformed people will do what they wish with their money then in retrospect will see they spent unwisely and be upset which in turn will just push most of them away from the game entierly, i know it has happened to me in the past and i ended up just giving up and moving on to another game. Because i spent my fund badly and there was no help before hand, only afterwards and that only came in the form of Buyers Remorse really once i saw what I COULD have got with my money.

Knowing how the game was and how development was I assumed it would happen to me again at some point(fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me) so i uninstalled and found a better, properly layed out game after that and stuck with it for some time giving them lots of my hard earned monies. So their is the issue, its just making you all look bad IMO.

If i sold something in my showroom for 1/3 the value of what I had listed say on my website or somewhere else in the store I would be ridiculed and laughed at by my customers at best. People dont like to jerked around or made a fool of especially with money. I know MC isnt really worth buying anymore but that shouldn't be a reason to gouge prices on Items that cost MC. and like i said before, just because its "YOUR FORMULA" doesnt make it any less of a cop out.

Not trying to be rude, just telling it like it is and its asinine at best. My money is worth more when i DONT convert it to MC and that isn't a problem i should have to deal with, its a problem you all at PGI should.

Edited by Revis Volek, 02 August 2016 - 06:29 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Its pretty common to get more for cheaper when buying from a lot of businesses.

I can go to the store and by a can of beans twice as big as the other one for 2 cent less than the small. I can go to a pizza shop and get 2 pizzas for a dollar or two cheaper than a single pizza. Here I can buy 4 mechs for the price of 1.

Package/bulk buying is crazy stuff man.

[Revis Volek]

Dakota1000, on 02 August 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Its pretty common to get more for cheaper when buying from a lot of businesses.

I can go to the store and by a can of beans twice as big as the other one for 2 cent less than the small. I can go to a pizza shop and get 2 pizzas for a dollar or two cheaper than a single pizza. Here I can buy 4 mechs for the price of 1.

Package/bulk buying is crazy stuff man.

Electronic good arent priced like that, For example, there is no shipping for the good so instead of buying One box at $17.50 which weighs 1/8th of a pallet and cost 1/3 to ship you buy the pallet and save a lot in shipping.


Most production places i know would be willing to sell you a "whole sheet" or goods or material because it cost about the same to make one as it does to make 30. I know my work is much like this. It takes 45 mins to setup and 35 seconds to run off. Making one or 25 is close to the same cost a lot of the time.

These electronic good dont need a mill, saws, tools, workers, material or power to make it EVERY time someone orders one its was made once which yes cost money takes time, power and man hours. BUt its a one shot deal so the pricing shoukld reflect that more accurately IMO.

If Alex had to fire up the Mech printer each time, then yea i would see the issue but all they do is send you some line of code to say you have that mech in your bay. The computer that do this work dont even ask for raises.


Therefore that pricing is kinda silly here, not to say it doesn't have a place in the electronic goods world to give you buying power where you had none or even to just force people who were on the fence to buy the whole pack rather then spend only a little less money for a lot less goods. Its not totally dumb but the issue is there is nothing telling you in game that the better deal exists elsewhere and that buying this isnt a good deal.

It setup this way to catch those who are ignorant to the buying power they have by not converting their money to MC first and that isnt really something you should be advocating as a business IMO.

that if you are in dumb you might get taken for a ride....I wish that was proper business etiquette. I'd be rich by now.

Edited by Revis Volek, 02 August 2016 - 07:46 PM.

[Void Angel]

davoodoo, on 02 August 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

Good one mate.

Know any other jokes??

No. No, he really doesn't.

Edited by Void Angel, 02 August 2016 - 07:52 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Revis Volek, on 02 August 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

Electronic good arent priced like that, For example, there is no shipping for the good so instead of buying One box at $17.50 which weighs 1/8th of a pallet and cost 1/3 to ship you buy the pallet and save a lot in shipping.


Most production places i know would be willing to sell you a "whole sheet" or goods or material because it cost about the same to make one as it does to make 30. I know my work is much like this. It takes 45 mins to setup and 35 seconds to run off. Making one or 25 is close to the same cost a lot of the time.

These electronic good dont need a mill, saws, tools, workers, material or power to make it EVERY time someone orders one its was made once which yes cost money takes time, power and man hours. BUt its a one shot deal so the pricing shoukld reflect that more accurately IMO.

If Alex had to fire up the Mech printer each time, then yea i would see the issue but all they do is send you some line of code to say you have that mech in your bay. The computer that do this work dont even ask for raises.


Therefore that pricing is kinda silly here, not to say it doesn't have a place in the electronic goods world to give you buying power where you had none or even to just force people who were on the fence to buy the whole pack rather then spend only a little less money for a lot less goods. Its not totally dumb but the issue is there is nothing telling you in game that the better deal exists elsewhere and that buying this isnt a good deal.

It set it up this way to catch those who are ignorant to the buying power they have by not converting their money to MC first.

I'm not saying it isn't silly, and it will catch any buyers who aren't informed just like the beans and pizza and stores and shops around here that aren't clearly marked as being a worse or better deal until you read the prices and compare.

I'm just saying its relatively common, even in situations where it doesn't make sense to do. If I bought 2 pizzas from the shop, they have to make and package both of them and I pick them up there, if I buy two, they use twice the boxes, twice the materials, and get even less money. I wouldn't expect PGI to manage to be one of the few places I've found that doesn't have deals like this that make you feel ripped off if you don't take them.

Don't know where they'd advertise that they are cheaper though since they already do show you the prices of different things and advertise buying mechpacks much much more than buying things with MC.

EDIT: Really, I'm just saying that people who are ignorant to this should read up and be better buyers before spending their money, else they deserve to lose it foolishly.

Edited by Dakota1000, 02 August 2016 - 07:52 PM.

[Void Angel]

There are reasonable limits to caveat emptor. Right now, there are 'mech packs and Clan Packs and Phoenix Packages all sorta jumbled together on the web page - but someone who hasn't looked at them and just bought some MC to get started would be quite reasonable to assume that the in-game store had all the things you could buy for the game.

This is why the 'mech packs, MC purchasing, and the in-game store all need to be accessible from the UI.

Tina Benoit, on 02 August 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

OP is right! Buying from the Package is the better deal + it comes with bonuses as some of you have mentioned.

However we have a specific formula when it comes to the pricing of Hero Mechs in MC which is dependent on their tonnage amount.
You could also consider the advantage of buying it for MC if you were to already have some MC saved up/leftover or maybe even from giveaways/events you've won some from etc..
Unfortunately however we won't be able to make the Spirit Bear an exception from the MC pricing formula we have for every Hero Mech in-game already.

PS: Hey, you're not dead! That's great!

Edited by Void Angel, 02 August 2016 - 07:57 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Dakota1000, on 02 August 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

I'm not saying it isn't silly, and it will catch any buyers who aren't informed just like the beans and pizza and stores and shops around here that aren't clearly marked as being a worse or better deal until you read the prices and compare.

I'm just saying its relatively common, even in situations where it doesn't make sense to do. If I bought 2 pizzas from the shop, they have to make and package both of them and I pick them up there, if I buy two, they use twice the boxes, twice the materials, and get even less money. I wouldn't expect PGI to manage to be one of the few places I've found that doesn't have deals like this that make you feel ripped off if you don't take them.

Don't know where they'd advertise that they are cheaper though since they already do show you the prices of different things and advertise buying mechpacks much much more than buying things with MC.

You could simply list them in the store differently, It takes one line of text saying "buy 4 for $5 more dollar" with a link to the Store page and the package.

And the pizza shop gives you all the info upfront to make the silly decision with your money, but the real reason is that it cost about 1/16 of the price to make it. I bet said pizza shop would still make money until you got like 20 pizzas...they MIGHT lose a few nickels on that 20th pizza.

IF they arent then their pricing model is terrible....

Edited by Revis Volek, 02 August 2016 - 07:56 PM.

[Chuck Jager]

At the end of a lengthy post I got this
I think you could buy the base Kodiak package and sell everything especially the XLs and cbill purchase other mech lines.

This just smells funny, and this has the "read the small print - next window please" service policy that tells a customer you are welcome to treat me the same way I just treated you.

Spoiler

2 schools of thought
1. IF there is a perceived bargain, people will actually be more motivated to buy it, even if it smells fishy.
I worked someplace where we did high end inventory tracking software. We ran 3 completely different web sites, and we would take the sight with the less viewer time on pages and jack the prices up. Guess what we starting selling more on the other sites.
The problem with this see#2

2. People really do not expect perfection, but if it looks and smells like fire.....
Having very obvious price differences, even if there is a valid reason only makes your whole business look just as clumsy (at best).

At one time MWO had few choices and they had an original sales model and structure. The $20 packages completely changes and it is not like the original packages are hard merchandise taking up shelf space.

I was only buying premium time with 3 mech pack purchased in the preceding 2 years and a couple of MC (C) mechs for the XL engines. I am now buying the other packs almost monthly, because they are a great deal with all the other stuff including the $12 premium time. I also like the ability to upgrade if you see that you may want (S) or hero mechs. This is a great well thought out deal especially for a product is not physical inventory (ie once tooling is paid for ZERO production cost). This is where I cut out the end and placed above the spoiler.

[Moldur]

It is a bit of a shame that PGI is not going to renege on their MC to tonnage pricing scheme, but I suppose it is understandable. It is not hard to imagine the uproar that would cause, of people saying they are being retroactively screwed over even though everyone purchasing anything in MC later on would be benefiting from it.

Anyway, bump.