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[ice trey]

Honestly, I don't like tier sharing.

"Curiosity" or not, publicising tiers has shown more than a few people on the forums criticising other players' opinions of the game with "You're not tier one? You don't know what you're talking about and your opinion is invalid."

Screw what their background is, to boot.

[Appogee]

Exposing tiers would expose how often the matchmaker creates grossly imbalanced matches.

There's no way PGI are going to let that happen.

[N0MAD]

How about instead of showing tier it shows hours per day played that way, we can sort of group who we playing against...
8+ hours,, we know our tax dollar is going to their social security allowing them to play MWO..stay away from these you may feel anger when playing with...
4+ hours,, know to be wary of this person they seldom get layed if at all and may very well be fraustrated and irrational..
Couple hours a day.. may wana play with these peeps, seems they have a job and a real life,, surely worth talking to and playing with...

What you think>???

Edited by N0MAD, 06 August 2016 - 10:04 PM.

[Appogee]

N0MAD, on 06 August 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

How about instead of showing tier it shows hours per day played that way, we can soert of group who we playing against...
8+ hours,, we know our tax dollar is going to their social security allowing them to play MWO..
4+ hours,, we know to be wary of this person they seldom get layed if at all and may very well be fraustrated and irrational..
Couple hours a day.. may wana play with these peeps, seems they have a job and a real life,, surely worth talking to and playing with...

LOL

By your logic, we should really want to play with people who don't play MWO at all. Because they are clearly people who have more important things to do with their lives

[Yellonet]

I find it funny that almost everyone got stuck on "Tiers don't tell anything about skill!!1" even when I purposefully did not mention skill or even hinted at it in the OP

I know tiers just tell us experience rather than skill, that's why I made this thread.
I primarily want the tiers to show so that the workings of the MM becomes easier to understand.
And if PGI, hopefully soon, changes how the PSR rewards and punishes you in a way so that tiers become closer to skill levels, then having these shown would be even more important.

[Yellonet]

Mystere, on 06 August 2016 - 06:17 PM, said:

People are already abusing the leader board as a shaming tool. Do you want PSR to be used as well?

Don't answer as it was a rhetorical question. I can already guess your intent just based on your post.

Did you only make that post to show off your superior morals while telling everyone that you don't care to be corrected because you think you know my intent?

Btw, this was a rhetorical question as well.

[Alistair Winter]

• The better solution is to show the number of Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4 and Tier 5 players on each team after the match, without saying which players belong to each Tier. This pleases both camps.
  
• People who say Tiers don't mean anything clearly don't have a lot of experience with extended periods of playing Tier 1 and Tier 4/5. I know it feels like Tiers don't mean anything, but they actually mean a whole lot.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Alistair Winter, on 07 August 2016 - 01:14 AM, said:

• The better solution is to show the number of Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4 and Tier 5 players on each team after the match, without saying which players belong to each Tier. This pleases both camps.
  
• People who say Tiers don't mean anything clearly don't have a lot of experience with extended periods of playing Tier 1 and Tier 4/5. I know it feels like Tiers don't mean anything, but they actually mean a whole lot.

Theres a definite difference between T1/2 to T3 and below.
I wouldn't say there is much difference between T3 and 5 tho, bad is just bad.

[Yellonet]

Alistair Winter, on 07 August 2016 - 01:14 AM, said:

• The better solution is to show the number of Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4 and Tier 5 players on each team after the match, without saying which players belong to each Tier. This pleases both camps.

I could accept that.

Alistair Winter, on 07 August 2016 - 01:14 AM, said:

People who say Tiers don't mean anything clearly don't have a lot of experience with extended periods of playing Tier 1 and Tier 4/5. I know it feels like Tiers don't mean anything, but they actually mean a whole lot.

Tiers mean a bit more than some think and much less than they should.

[L3mming2]

Dr Juju Pepper, on 06 August 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

I started the most recent light mech challenge as tier 4. I ended it in tier 3 and 10th spot on the adder leader board. Tier ratings are a joke. People who use them as validation are even more so. Just imagine that tiers were public and you couldn't hide from the fact that lower level tier players are rolling you. Could your fragile ego handle that?

a posible explenation for your succes in the light mech challange might be, you where under tiered (thats why you are going up in tiers) and your succes is partly due to being pitted against weaker oponents...

[Yellonet]

Why do we get a scoreboard after the match? Seeing other players score could be used to ridicule them, and if they get a high score they will always look down on those with lesser score, am I right?
There's no reason to see how anybody else did?

Edit: Oh yeah, I just remembered; this is a multiplayer competitive game where we are supposed to compare ourselves with the other players...

Edited by Yellonet, 07 August 2016 - 02:06 AM.

[Yellonet]

Dr Juju Pepper, on 06 August 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

I started the most recent light mech challenge as tier 4. I ended it in tier 3 and 10th spot on the adder leader board. Tier ratings are a joke. People who use them as validation are even more so. Just imagine that tiers were public and you couldn't hide from the fact that lower level tier players are rolling you. Could your fragile ego handle that?

If you say that they mean nothing, what's the harm in showing them?

LOL, yes, my fragile ego could handle you beating me

However if tiers were really skill based it would of course feel bad to get beaten by someone that is not supposed to be as good.

[XX Sulla XX]

Just have it so you can mouse over it and see peoples leaderboard stats and tier.

[Yellonet]

Nightmare1, on 06 August 2016 - 06:48 PM, said:

"Golly gee, if only I could have known the tiers of my randomly matched Pugs before our Mechs powered on!"

Didn't I say "after the match"?

[Nerdboard]

Don't like it. I actually dont like the leaderboard stats being there either. There's plenty of arrogant and rude behaviour towards players who are outed or assumed to be lower tier (3+) as it is.

[Nightmare1]

Yellonet, on 07 August 2016 - 02:58 AM, said:

Didn't I say "after the match"?

After, before, what's the difference? It still doesn't matter, lol. The only thing it will serve is to stroke your ego if you see that you're a higher tier than most of your team. I'm not interested in dealing with the attitudes that may arise from that.

Edited by Nightmare1, 07 August 2016 - 05:47 AM.

[Nightmare1]

Major Lag, on 07 August 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

Me, I would like to evaulate how good a job the matchmaker does. Thus, a collective sum-of-tiers would be enough.

Personally, I rate the MM's job by how bad the roll was. If the enemy team doesn't get at least six Mechs, I consider it to be a bad MM. If they get two kills or less, then it's a horrible MM.

Just keep in mind that, for some pilots, the sum-of-tiers would quickly become the sum-of-tears as the e-peeners go out of control and abuse it.

[Wrathful Scythe]

So we can blame the Tier 1 players for not carrying enough and the Tier 2 and below players for being so horrible at this game that they should uninstall immediately? I'm indifferent about this suggestion but I see more people complaining after a lost match, and that would get on my nerves.

With shown tiers you just invite people be d*cks.

[Mystere]

Yellonet, on 07 August 2016 - 01:06 AM, said:

Did you only make that post to show off your superior morals while telling everyone that you don't care to be corrected because you think you know my intent?

Btw, this was a rhetorical question as well.

Because some of us still remember this thread and just connected the dots.

[Hotthedd]

Yellonet, on 06 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

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When the match is over I'd like to see everybody's tier, team mates as well as enemies.
This would work just as in CS:GO where you after a match get too see the rank of all other players, this so that you can judge your own and the teams performance as well as review how the MM set you up.
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You answer your own question as to why this will never be implemented.