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[Roughneck45]

Appogee, on 06 August 2016 - 09:47 PM, said:

Exposing tiers would expose how often the matchmaker creates grossly imbalanced matches.

There's no way PGI are going to let that happen.

^^^
QFT

This argument has come up many times in many different forms and usually boils down to "I like to see more metrics and statistics!" and "Get your Epeen out of my videogame!"

Both are valid depending on your point of view. As always the right answer is somewhere in the middle.

However, the one consistency of the people shouting "Epeen!" is their insistence that it doesn't matter. K/D doesn't matter. Headshots don't matter. Tiers don't matter.

Well if they don't matter why not have them public?

Edited by Roughneck45, 07 August 2016 - 07:04 AM.

[Squirg]

Roughneck45, on 07 August 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

^^^
QFT

This argument has come up many times in many different forms and usually boils down to "I like to see more metrics and statistics!" and "Get your Epeen out of my videogame!"

Both are valid depending on your point of view. As always the right answer is somewhere in the middle.

However, the one consistency of the people shouting "Epeen!" is their insistence that it doesn't matter. K/D doesn't matter. Headshots don't matter. Tiers don't matter.

Well if they don't matter why not have them public?

Sure make the tiers visible after a match. What meaningful metrics and statistics are you going to glean from that? What, are you going to find out the matchmaker is poor? That's old news. The matchmaker is poor because the population is scarce and the tier system is meaningless.

Basically if you go through with a suggestion like this you gain nothing of value since any information you could possibly gain from the knowledge of tiers is moot since the tiers themselves are moot. All you do is invite the negative reactions.

This is the essence of the phrase, "Tiers mean nothing."

[Ted Wayz]

OP why? So you can say, "See it wasn't my fault"?

How about at the end of a match it posts how many matches someone has played. Just as relevant and less arbitrary.

[Roughneck45]

Squirg, on 07 August 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

What meaningful metrics and statistics are you going to glean from that?

That was more in reference to the initial implementation of stats and the general "competetive" vs. "casual" mindset. Lots of people had their torches and pitchforks ready when they said they were adding them years ago.

I'd agree there isn't much benefit to seeing tier at the end of the match other than seeing if the MM is a liar or not.

I just don't understand why people get so defensive about it. If it truly doesn't matter than why does it bother people. The haters are gonna hate regardless of your tier lol.

[Jman5]

p4r4g0n, on 06 August 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

Far as Faction Play is concerned, there does not seem to much value in knowing the PSR numbers given the other variables that come into play.

The only significant variable that I believe can really turn PSR on its head is Long Tom. I don't believe other variables like Group vs PUG, IS vs Clan, and Attack vs Defense are affecting the outcome nearly as much as PSR does.

Frankly, the fact that it's first-come-first-serve matchmaking, makes knowing the PSR difference in faction play more important than quickplay.

[Ghostrider0067]

Meh. The tier is little more than a metric to show how much you have played and how successful you have been along the way. I've seen some great, tactically sound play in T5 and in the public drops and seen plenty of callous, brazenly ignorant actions in T1. It will always be a mixed bag and showing that tier won't make a difference in my opinion.

Are you more concerned with winning and doing well in general or being prideful because you, as a lower tier, managed to destroy someone on a higher one but end up losing? I'd much rather take the win, thanks. Who cares about the tier!

[zolop]

No to the OP's idea but yes to the one below

Ted Wayz, on 07 August 2016 - 08:00 AM, said:

OP why? So you can say, "See it wasn't my fault"?

How about at the end of a match it posts how many matches someone has played. Just as relevant and less arbitrary.

Have seen the same thing for the most part mentioned below.

Ghostrider0067, on 07 August 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Meh. The tier is little more than a metric to show how much you have played and how successful you have been along the way. I've seen some great, tactically sound play in T5 and in the public drops and seen plenty of callous, brazenly ignorant actions in T1. It will always be a mixed bag and showing that tier won't make a difference in my opinion.

Are you more concerned with winning and doing well in general or being prideful because you, as a lower tier, managed to destroy someone on a higher one but end up losing? I'd much rather take the win, thanks. Who cares about the tier!

Edited by zolop, 07 August 2016 - 09:11 AM.

[zolop]

Ops double poist

Edited by zolop, 07 August 2016 - 09:14 AM.

[SeaLabCaptn]

"If it doesn't matter, why does it bother some people?"

Because not everyone recognizes how worthless PSR is, and they will use tier as a basis for an unrelated argument.

[Ghostrider0067]

SeaLabCaptn, on 07 August 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

"If it doesn't matter, why does it bother some people?"

Because not everyone recognizes how worthless PSR is, and they will use tier as a basis for an unrelated argument.

I've seen that aplenty on the forums. It's utterly pathetic and genuinely laughable to see that there are people on here that will not value your opinion or even consider it should you not be T1. Truly un-freaking-believable.

[Roughneck45]

SeaLabCaptn, on 07 August 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

"If it doesn't matter, why does it bother some people?"

Because not everyone recognizes how worthless PSR is, and they will use tier as a basis for an unrelated argument.

But your recognition makes their argument invalid. So let them use it incorrectly all they want, confident that you are in the right.

IMO the ones that are so against stats and tiers being public are just as irrational as the ones who base everything off those metrics.

Edited by Roughneck45, 07 August 2016 - 09:54 AM.

[Chrome Magnus]

Hell no. The leaderboards being implemented has already made gameplay even more timid as players who are concerned about such idiotic crap hide and wait for others to open opportunities for them or just generally cower. Couldn't figure out why players were huddling closer than ever and sitting behind corners even more often until someone pointed out leader-boards had dropped.

My enjoyment level for this game has definitely dropped recently and I hope they scrub the LB idea. Or at least make it optional like displaying tiers.

[Yellonet]

Mystere, on 07 August 2016 - 06:41 AM, said:

Because some of us still remember this thread and just connected the dots.

Ugh... not everyone are here to brag, just because I posted some screen where I for once had a good score.
Besides, take a look on my stats on the leaderboards... looks like I'm a great player that could feel superior to lots of players? No, didn't think so

Edited by Yellonet, 07 August 2016 - 10:30 AM.

[Roughneck45]

Chrome Magnus, on 07 August 2016 - 10:05 AM, said:

made gameplay even more timid as players who are concerned about such idiotic crap hide and wait for others to open opportunities for them or just generally cower.

This is another complaint I see often but never actually see unfold in game.

Edited by Roughneck45, 07 August 2016 - 10:30 AM.

[SeaLabCaptn]

Roughneck45, on 07 August 2016 - 09:50 AM, said:

But your recognition makes their argument invalid. So let them use it incorrectly all they want, confident that you are in the right.

IMO the ones that are so against stats and tiers being public are just as irrational as the ones who base everything off those metrics.

You're right, that wouldn't clutter forums at all, and definitely won't lead to ridiculous ideas being considered.

:/

[Roughneck45]

SeaLabCaptn, on 07 August 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:

You're right, that wouldn't clutter forums at all, and definitely won't lead to ridiculous ideas being considered.

:/

Cause that doesn't already happen lol

[Chrome Magnus]

Roughneck45, on 07 August 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

This is another complaint I see often but never actually see unfold in game.

If you're playing in groups I'd imagine things didn't change much but there's definitely been a difference in puglandia.

[Darth Hotz]

Main argument against the tier system is that eventually everyone will be tier 1. About how many years or decades are we talking here? Just asking because I see many forumwarriors not advancing at all.

[Roughneck45]

Chrome Magnus, on 07 August 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

If you're playing in groups I'd imagine things didn't change much but there's definitely been a difference in puglandia.

I only pug anymore these days.

I doubt there has been a difference.

The feeling is probably more reflective of how your matches went for the night. Truthiness.

[Chrome Magnus]

Roughneck45, on 07 August 2016 - 12:16 PM, said:

I only pug anymore these days.

I doubt there has been a difference.

The feeling is probably more reflective of how your matches went for the night. Truthiness.

Those nights definitely happen but I spent a month wondering what changed and if they had been opening the flood gates to T1 or what. The behavior has continued since finding out about LB's which hit nearly 2 months ago. I suppose it could just be that less/different people are playing since summer hit but it's hard to say.