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[Baulven]

SpiralFace, on 10 August 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

I don't think its a stretch to say that the Arctic Cheetha is "unbalanced" when compared to other lights. Its the hands down superior option in almost all scenarios in comparison to other light mech options, which in turn makes it "unbalanced" against the greater range of lights.

But that doesn't mean its "overpowered" which is something else entirely.

I don't feel like the ACH is overpowered, but its defiantly "unbalanced" against other light options. So I'm not entirely opposed to any kind of changes they do to make other options attractive to take over the ACH, as long as the general power level doesn't dip too far down, as I do not believe that the "baseline" of where the ACH is now is really that bad.

It has several close runners and is simultaneously the only viable light clan mech. Jenner IIc has the same issues as the regular Jenner following the rescale, and quite frankly if you talk about the lynx as being viable you need beaten with the clue bat.

Then again if you really want to stealth nerf clans it is the best option since it means an entire class of mechs will be useless to us.

[Mole]

Anyone who thinks an ACH is OP obviously doesn't know to or is incapable of shooting its legs. I've been playing my Kit Fox a lot lately and I find myself constantly taking on the duty of sticking behind the lines and hutning down foolhardy ACH pilots that have an inflated and entirely false sense of thinking they are a total badass. My Kit Fox runs at 104 kph and is armed with 2 MGs and 4 MPLs. Nothing special, right? I can reliably bring down an average ACH pilot solo in the thing because I shoot their legs and they have this ill-conceived notion that their 'mech is invincible PLUS they are fighting a 'trash tier' Kit Fox so they don't disengage when they really ought to.

[C E Dwyer]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

Reference: https://twitter.com/...346372485586946

You can follow the conversation to see how its going.

Having looked through that twitter feed all I see are stupid knee jerk statements so, the AC claim is as pointless as the rest.

[dervishx5]

The outcry over the Hankyu is pretty amusing to a TT nerd like me since it's such garbage in that game.

[Y E O N N E]

dervishx5, on 10 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

The outcry over the Hankyu is pretty amusing to a TT nerd like me since it's such garbage in that game.

Pfff, this is tame compared to all the crying over the Locust in June and July.

[DAYLEET]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

Does anyone else feel this way? I just saw this tweeted to Russ... watch out for Arctic Cheetah nerfs coming up soon! I just thought it was a top light because it didn't get wrecked by the rescale like the rest. Any light pilots care to comment about the OPness of the Arctic Cheetah?

Before the rescale the Cheatah was small comapred to FS8 WLF and cie, it still has the clan xl, the ecm if it was to and some jj to go over that rock when no one is looking. the firepower is in line with the other IS mech. All that is certainly going to make it more popular and easier to play.

[Mole]

Yeonne Greene, on 10 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Pfff, this is tame compared to all the crying over the Locust in June and July.

B-b-b-but things should die when I shoot in their general direction simply because of the sheer amount of air displacement! I shouldn't HAVE to actually HIT my target, that's crazy talk!

[dervishx5]

Yeonne Greene, on 10 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Pfff, this is tame compared to all the crying over the Locust in June and July.

idk, the Hakyu has always been wined about since it first came out. I'll take a brief intense headache over a long lasting moderate one.

[Mystere]

And the ******* whining begins ... again. The question now is, will PGI get weak-kneed and acquiesce -- again?

Sigh! Gamers these days.

[Mole]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

Because TTK is so low in MWO compared to other MechWarrior games..................

This. A bloody million times this. People complain and complain and complain about how low TTK is in MWO and how it "wasnt that way" in previous mechwarrior games. Rosie Retrospection, I say. I recall being able to one-shot pretty much any 'mech back in MW2 with a couple of PPCs and Large Pulse Lasers. I also recall a 6 ER Large Laser Nova Cat in MW4 that could instantly core out pretty much any assault by jumpjetting for a split second over a hill, alpha striking, dead assault, and then dropping down and cooling off.

Edited by Mole, 10 August 2016 - 03:32 PM.

[dervishx5]

Mole, on 10 August 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

This. A bloody million times this. People complain and complain and complain about how low TTK is in MWO and how it "wasnt that way" in previous mechwarrior games. Rosie Retrospection, I say. I recall being able to one-shot pretty much any 'mech back in MW2 with a couple of PPCs and Large Pulse Lasers. I also recall a 6 ER Large Laser Nova Cat in MW4 that could instantly core out pretty much any assault by jumpjetting for a split second over a hill, alpha striking, dead assault, and then dropping down and cooling off.

You literally could win the entire game with 1 MPL because of how unbalanced it was.

[Baulven]

DAYLEET, on 10 August 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

Before the rescale the Cheatah was small comapred to FS8 WLF and cie, it still has the clan xl, the ecm if it was to and some jj to go over that rock when no one is looking. the firepower is in line with the other IS mech. All that is certainly going to make it more popular and easier to play.

It's also fragile as hell and can lose half it's weapons and 50/50 ecm with one good alpha. It also either gets three shots at about 200m or two at 450 without needing to retreat.

[Wintersdark]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

I mean, it barely edged out the Locust, which barely edged out the Adder, which barely edged out the Firestarter/Jenner. 3400 to 3700 and change. Hardly an earth shattering disparity there. Jenner IIC was down at 3325ish.

That's certainly not a big deal at all.

To be honest, I hadn't noticed anything about them at all lately. I mean, I expect they're the best light currently for reasons everyone knows, but they're certainly not a killer mech. Being the "strongest light" doesn't mean you need a nerf; because lights overall are depressingly mediocre.

I'm even a huge proponent of "nerf the strongest" rather than always "buff the weakest", but seriously... It's not like the Light queue is stuffed to the brim or that Lights are dominating game play in any way.

[DAYLEET]

Baulven, on 10 August 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

It's also fragile as hell and can lose half it's weapons and 50/50 ecm with one good alpha. It also either gets three shots at about 200m or two at 450 without needing to retreat.

thats why you dont run in a straight line.

[Baulven]

DAYLEET, on 10 August 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

thats why you dont run in a straight line.

Someone quoted its strengths without mentioning a single weakness inherit to the mech and your retort is git gud? I do fine killing and avoiding being killed in light mechs, but thanks for your concern.

[Y E O N N E]

dervishx5, on 10 August 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

idk, the Hakyu has always been wined about since it first came out. I'll take a brief intense headache over a long lasting moderate one.

True. I do think it was a little out of line at launch, but it was certainly killable then and it is even more killable now.

Still, the Locust is the bad 'Mech, and the amount of outcry over the bad 'Mech not being bad anymore was sad and hilarious all at once.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Clan XL and 6E hardpoints+ECM and not having snorted a ton of viagra during the great swell of 2016 means it's basically a perfect light mech. It's also dull as dishwater to play IMO.

They are... challenging to beat in an IS light. But... as long as you can keep up with them you can typically outlast them and then your better sustained DPS can let you eek out a win. Regardless no one wins in a light vs light fight someone just loses less.

[DAYLEET]

Baulven, on 10 August 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Someone quoted its strengths without mentioning a single weakness inherit to the mech and your retort is git gud? I do fine killing and avoiding being killed in light mechs, but thanks for your concern.

You right, after a certain thread about light being "crap" im afraid that people want to keep buffing all light. That was a kneejerk reaction if there ever was one.

[Y E O N N E]

DAYLEET, on 10 August 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

You right, after a certain thread about light being "crap" im afraid that people want to keep buffing all light. That was a kneejerk reaction if there ever was one.

At high-level organized play, they are crap.

[VorpalAnvil]

Yeonne Greene, on 10 August 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

All you have to do is not be as stupid as a bag of hammers and you can at least ward it off.

I do believe that you have correctly diagnosed the problem.