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[nitra]

Interesting dont you think ?

[Bows3r]

It's a long ways from 6000.

[nitra]

2nd day 900 pts shy and still nothing near it ..

[Hit the Deck]

My 'Mech is more than over 9000.

Edited by Hit the Deck, 13 August 2016 - 01:40 AM.

[Yosharian]

I would say it indicates somewhat of a superiority but also you have to take these kind of figures with a grain of salt because the most popular mechs also garner the most attention from good players (since most good players want to be in the best mech or their favourite mech), which could skew the data.

To draw an analogy, if the best drivers in a race all decide to drive Ferraris because they look cool and they have a good reputation, and thus Ferraris score highly in the race, that doesn't necessarily mean Ferraris are the best car, because they also had the best drivers behind the wheel.

You also have to consider that the only people who can even own a Kodiak right now are players who invest heavily in the game either by buying MC or by buying mech packs. That could also skew the data.

Look at the Dire Wolf, for example, which has also scored highly and yet is frequently discussed on the forums as a weak assault. It's possible that the DWF is actually in a good place, and it's also possible that good players went to the Dire as their go-to during this event because it's their favourite assault, one they feel comfortable piloting, rather than the 'best' assault right now. The latter would skew the data to make the DWF seem better than it actually is.

Yet another factor could be that, for the more popular mechs such as the Kodiak, competition is more fierce because the status of 'best Kodiak player' means quite a lot, while winning the Victor leaderboard, for example, might mean relatively little because the Victor isn't very popular. Fierce competition raises the bar because you have the most exceptional players in the game driving each other to higher and higher scores.

Edited by Yosharian, 13 August 2016 - 01:49 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Anyone actually surprised about that?

[Alistair Winter]

There are so many variables involved in these events. As much as I do believe the Kodiak is OP, this simply isn't the best way of proving it. For one thing, there's 6-8 assault mechs per team this weekend, and most of them seem to be playing assaults for the first time. They're just wandering around like cattle. Not only are they less skilled than the experienced assault mech players, but I would hazard a guess that this sort of event draws a lot more casual players (and adult / old players) than, say, the light mech event. Because a lot of people feel they can't perform well in a light mech, but they have a lot of confidence if you put them in the cockpit of a Dakkawolf or something.

So yeah. Kodiak OP. But I don't put much stock in these numbers as a valuable metric in terms of comparing lights vs assaults, for example.

Now, in regards to Kodiak vs Atlas or Awesome or Highlander, I would say that these numbers are potentially a lot more useful. I can't think of any argument why the Kodiak's numbers would be artificially inflated. I'll keep visiting this thread, I look forward to seeing Kodiak apologists explain why the Kodiak is entirely average as an assault mech or why the cUAC10 nerf made it obsolete.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 13 August 2016 - 01:51 AM.

[xVLFBERHxT]

I think these events are for the future balance. Not surprised about the Kodiak (3)... Waiting for the Heavys!

[kapusta11]

The whole contest is about being matched with and against potatoes 10 times. One unlucky trade with good player on the opposing side or someone on your team stealing "your" kills? Oops, no 8 solo kill KMDD game for you this time.

Leaderboards mean very little.

Edited by kapusta11, 13 August 2016 - 09:45 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

kapusta11, on 13 August 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

The whole contest is about being matched with and against potatoes 10 times, which doesn't happen very often. One unlucky trade with good player on the opposing side or someone on your team stealing "your" kills? Oops, no 8 solo kill KMDD game this time.

Leaderboards mean very little.

I also notice that the Awesome is one of the highest scoring mechs. #1 Awesome is at 3128, #10 Awesome is at 2653 points. By comparison, the #1 Atlas is at 2819 points and #10 Atlas is at 2504 points. The #2 King Crab is at 3150 points and #10 King Crab is at 2673 points.

In other words, except for that super skilled #1 King Crab pilot, the Awesome is doing very well compared to the Atlas and the King Crab. But why is this?

I suspect that this leaderboard is influenced by the fact that you can get absolutely insanely good matches by clubbing seals with the AWS-8R LRM boat on Polar Highlands, for example, when the enemy team has 8 clueless assault mechs. This will not normally be the case outside of these events. Indeed, a lot of the best assault mech LRM carriers are doing quite well, and this may explain why even the IS Highlander is getting surprisingly decent numbers (almost as good as the Highlander IIC, which is crazy)

[Slambot]

I'm sorry, but these events are the one of the best venues for demonstrating the general balance of all mech chasis. Currently the Kodiak 3 is showing just how lethal it is. It is currently 5500 score on the leaderboard. The closest other mech is 4k. Now the tops of these leaderboards are all guys who really love these particular mechs. While the concept that the best players are all in the best chasis has some merit, (just a little) you can assume a relative parity among players at the top of each leaderboard category for the mechs being piloted. In a true parity situation, all mechs of a similar weight would have similar scoring near the top and as a mean. I REALLY hope PGI is looking at all the scores from all the different mech chasis and using this as a very good basis for game balance.

[Yellonet]

Kodiak not op....

[Random Carnage]

Kodiak really isn't OP. Will never convince the qq brigade though.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Is it theorethically possible to reach 9000?

[Clownwarlord]

Crutch ...

[jper4]

Alistair Winter, on 13 August 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

I also notice that the Awesome is one of the highest scoring mechs. #1 Awesome is at 3128, #10 Awesome is at 2653 points. By comparison, the #1 Atlas is at 2819 points and #10 Atlas is at 2504 points. The #2 King Crab is at 3150 points and #10 King Crab is at 2673 points.

In other words, except for that super skilled #1 King Crab pilot, the Awesome is doing very well compared to the Atlas and the King Crab. But why is this?

I suspect that this leaderboard is influenced by the fact that you can get absolutely insanely good matches by clubbing seals with the AWS-8R LRM boat on Polar Highlands, for example, when the enemy team has 8 clueless assault mechs. This will not normally be the case outside of these events. Indeed, a lot of the best assault mech LRM carriers are doing quite well, and this may explain why even the IS Highlander is getting surprisingly decent numbers (almost as good as the Highlander IIC, which is crazy)

yup saw this exact thing happen where, for what may be the first time in recorded history, I was actually with the LRM rain of doom instead of being on the other side. 3 awesomes show up on the team, awesome #1 asks are we all lrm boats" awesomes #2 and 3 promptly agree. I was in a LRM medium (cause i'm bad at assaults- I try to go forward in them) since brawling mediums vs 8 assaults on the other team didn't end well for me. we win 12-0, no one on our side was in seriously bad health at the end.

so the LRM is strong- not Kodiak strong- but strong this event.

[Yellonet]

Random Carnage, on 13 August 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

Kodiak really isn't OP. Will never convince the qq brigade though.

So the explanation that it's way ahead of any other assault is...?

Edited by Yellonet, 13 August 2016 - 03:00 AM.

[Elizander]

Yellonet, on 13 August 2016 - 03:00 AM, said:

So the explanation that it's way ahead of any other assault is...?

It's perfectly in-line with all the other assaults. Kodiak pilots are just more skilled than the other scrubs in other equally capable mechs that aren't Kodiaks.

[Yellonet]

Elizander, on 13 August 2016 - 03:05 AM, said:

It's perfectly in-line with all the other assaults. Kodiak pilots are just more skilled than the other scrubs in other equally capable mechs that aren't Kodiaks.

Of course, it's so obvious when you think about it. Thanks!

[Aramoro999]

its at 5000+ right now