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[Masterofmetal]

I've had my sights on the warhammer for a while and i'm thinking about getting it, but I'm not sure if I should. I primarily pilot assaults (nearly all the time) and I like being survivable as well as dishing out the pain, and being slow doesn't bother me. Is the warhammer the right mech for me, or should I save for something different?

[S 0 L E N Y A]

It is one of the best IS heavy mechs in the game.
Also one of the few mechs where every variant is not only good but offers considerable variety in build options.
They are XL viable but have plenty of options for standard engines as well.
Also, the Black Widow is one of the best hero mechs in the game.

6R: twin guass, twin AC20, twin AC10, the classic AC40 combo, PPC + UAC5 etc etc
6D: all the laser vomit meta
7R: laser sniper, lurm boat, or SRM+ pulse laser brawler
BlackWidow: mini-mauler

IMO, Warhammer is the closest counterpart the IS has to the Timberwolf, in that it can fit many different roles and fit them well.
Only thing it is really missing for variety is jump jets, but not a huge a loss.

P.S. As per OP, it is not an assault mech and never will be. Nor will any other heavy mech. You will need to adjust your play style accordingly (ie, take advantage of the extra speed and smaller profile). However, that would be true if transitioning to any heavy mech.

Also, I notice you are a clan loyalist. I dont know if you play or are interested in Faction Play. If you are then it would probably make sense to make your foray into the heavy class with Clan mechs instead, especially the TimberWolf, Ebon jag and Hellbringer. If you are covered there already or just do not care, then Warhammer is also one of the best you can get.

Edited by Boogie138, 14 August 2016 - 01:29 PM.

[Masterofmetal]

Thanks for the reply!

Responding to your comment about the clan loyalty, I can't afford any clan mechs except iic's, and I hear the iic's are trash. I also find the ebon jag and timberwolf squishy(and yes I know that sounds heretical). I also happen to not really care about CW.

Although are the iic's really as weak as they're made out to be?

Edited by Masterofmetal, 14 August 2016 - 02:35 PM.

[Lynx OGrady]

Masterofmetal, on 14 August 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

Thanks for the reply!

Responding to your comment about the clan loyalty, I can't afford any clan mechs except iic's, and I hear the iic's are trash. I also find the ebon jag and timberwolf squishy(and yes I know that sounds heretical). I also happen to not really care about CW.

Although are the iic's really as weak as they're made out to be?

Honestly? I find the Timber and Ebon real squishy too, sucks, the Timberwolf was my go-to heavy for every MW game, until I got to MWO. The Ebon however, im not sure i've found a combo that works for me but i find myself getting killed real quick in it.

AS for the subject? The Warhammer is a killer IS Heavy. I kept my 6R pretty much stock, I only traded the small pulses for two medium and PPC for ER PPC and running that ive had some very good matches.
The SRM rack is kinda, meh, i mean, if you want a quick few points in damage, sure, but one SRM by itself is kinda viewed as useless. Drop it if ya want and replace its tonnage with heat sinks. Everything loves heat sinks.

Edited by LynxOGrady, 14 August 2016 - 03:03 PM.

[Masterofmetal]

Well, screw the orion iic I'm getting the warhammer!

And yes honestly, the tbr and ebon jag are really squishy and they're such a tasty target for my atlas as their armor melts like butter.

Edited by Masterofmetal, 14 August 2016 - 03:20 PM.

[Steel Raven]

The Warhammer 6R also makes for a nice 4X PPC boat for fire support though recently changed to a Endo Steel/ Ferro Fiber and STD 300 build with 3X LPL and 3X ML for a mini juggernaut (because it's just one ML short of a Awesome or Battlemaster)

Thinking of doing the same for my 7S with that that laser duration quirk .

[Adardoth]

My whr-6r build
280 std endo double heat sinks
2 ppc 4 medium lasers 2 mg 1/2 ton of ammo srm6 with artimas 1.5 toms of ammo rest of the tonnage to heatsinks.

If you respect the ranges of the ppc and never fire over your medium laser range you will not get hot if you do get hot and it will happen if you get paniced fire the mg and srm6 till you are cool. This setup works for me.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

Warhammer is pretty good, and you can configure them in many different ways since they have a good amount of hardpoints...

Which means it will "probably" still be viable should energy draw come to live servers.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

The IICs?

The HBK-IIC is the best medium mech in the game, FWIW. The other three are OK.

All the IICs can carry as many weapons as a mech in the NEXT weight class. Tremendous firepower at the cost of quirks, really.
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Also, clan mechs aren't tanking well? You're losing trades or engaging at the wrong ranges. Use your mobility and ranged firepower to your advantage, all I can say. You'll get used to it if you play 'em enough.

Everything melts against an atlas up close. Put 500 m distance between an atlas and a dire, and the atlas will be stripped before he closes. Everything has its strengths and weaknesses.

[TercieI]

Best IS heavy. I think of the 6D as easy mode and run it when I need a good game. The BW is also a blast and the 6R runs wonderful PPC/UAC combo. The 7S doesn't suck either, but is still the easily weakest one.

[Cato Phoenix]

I've always been a Warhammer fan, and the mech meets all my expectations in MWO.

The 6R is brutal mech - I run with 2xAC10, 6MLAS.

The 6D is generally the core of my IS drop decks- fast and obliteratingly powerful. 3LPLAS and 6 MLAS.
- try out 9xERLL on polar highlands for some kicks.

The 7S makes for a very nice brawler, and I like running it, but I agree with Terciel.

[l3elthaz0r]

Assuming C-bills is no concern, should I pick up the timbys first or Warhammers?

[Steel Raven]

Timber Wolf is a great machine, no argument here.

[762 NATO]

My IS dropdeck is the Ilya, the -6R(S), the Black Widow and the Oxide. Watch that money fly in, even on a loss. I run my 6r with dual guass 4Mlas and xl300. The BW with 2LB10xs and 4 MLAs and a STD280. Both are my top damage and kills mechs. Sometimes you even get lucky with the dual guass and headshot a fresh Kodiak 3 coming in the gate and an Ebon Jag the next wave. Then you might get reported, but hey, no hacks here it all an accident. Sorry reds. I wish I could repeat that level of awesome.

Not to derail the OP. Warhammers were the easiest mech I have mastered yet. Centurions pulling a very close second. Timberwolves even gave me some pain, just not a lot. I would suggest buying the TBRs on the sale right now. And the Hunchy 2c was also a very easy mech to master.

Cheers!

[invernomuto]

l3elthaz0r, on 25 September 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

Assuming C-bills is no concern, should I pick up the timbys first or Warhammers?

I'd take the warhammer first. The Timberwolf is good but it plays very differently from an IS mech. In my opinion IS mechs are easier to play than Clan ones.

Edited by invernomuto, 26 September 2016 - 01:08 AM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

invernomuto, on 26 September 2016 - 01:07 AM, said:

I'd take the warhammer first. The Timberwolf is good but it plays very differently from an IS mech. In my opinion IS mechs are easier to play than Clan ones.

Although, there are more ways to screw a build over in IS'mechs then there are for clan'mechs.

ITT: Warhammers are great. They don't have to rely on quirks and feature a nice array of tonnage, hardpoints, hitboxes.
They can run XL and make remarkable good ballistic, lazer and anything in between boats.

Black Widow is optional, it is a very good 'mech, don't get me wrong. It's just that the Widow provides nothing more then the possibility to mount quad AC (quad AC5 or 2xAC5 + 2xUAC5) If that is your thing, go for it. The C-bills bonus on a well performing warhammer is no joke either.
Every warhammer variant can stand on it's own.
If you do like them, diesignwise or because you can fit them well in your dropdecks, go for it. And since all heavies are off by 35% 'til sep 30th, you basically can get one for free now.

If you want to have both chassies, the Warhammer and Timberwolf (and probably at least 3 different variants of each) but you do not have enough c-bills/mechbays. i would recommend you go for the 3 Timberwolfs first (clanmechs are hot and benefit greatly from the elite skill heat reduction). They are also more expensive then their IS counterpart heavy'mechs.
If your mechbays and MC pool allows it, pick up the Black Widow Hero now, even if you only own 1 Warhammer with that, the Widow can stand and perform well even on basic skill level.

Edited by Toha Heavy Industries, 26 September 2016 - 02:44 AM.